Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90527 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 4954 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2016 00:40:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jan 2016 00:40:24 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=francois@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=francois@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 212.27.42.2 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: francois@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.27.42.2 smtp2-g21.free.fr Received: from [212.27.42.2] ([212.27.42.2:10760] helo=smtp2-g21.free.fr) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3A/D2-21941-77B44965 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:40:24 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.240.16.115]) (Authenticated sender: flaupretre@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F56C4B0121; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 01:39:00 +0100 (CET) To: Anthony Ferrara , David Zuelke References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> <5691D820.4080309@gmail.com> <56934116.70002@garfieldtech.com> <56940D47.3060206@gmail.com> Cc: Stanislav Malyshev , Pierre Joye , Brandon Savage , Larry Garfield , PHP internals Message-ID: <56944B6B.8090305@php.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 01:40:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160111-0, 11/01/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: francois@php.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Fran=c3=a7ois_Laupretre?=) Le 11/01/2016 23:55, Anthony Ferrara a écrit : > > There are two prime reasons people may avoid internals (at least > related to this discussion). > > 1. Don't want to deal with the aggressive tone of the list > 2. Don't want to expose themselves to targeted aggression/negativity If we want to deal with the reasons why people avoid internals, the let's go and analyze the problem first ? I will start asking whether we really want to attract newcomers. The question may sound ridiculous but I think we don't, mostly because most people here see newcomers as just a source of annoyment and silly questions/RFCs. Additional evidence shows that we never did much effort to help integrate newcomers. So, the tone on the list is, IMO, just a small part of the problem. As long as there's no consensus on whether we want to attract newcomers and the effort we're ready to do to integrate them, discussing about the details of a CoC seems a bit prematurate to me. Regards François