Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90509 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 55654 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2016 16:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2016 16:36:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.174 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.174 mail-pf0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.174] ([209.85.192.174:35602] helo=mail-pf0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B2/23-40147-8F9D3965 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:36:08 -0500 Received: by mail-pf0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 65so47062711pff.2 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:36:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3WcHYQJvVycD9KNvKq8vy6B3PeDZfFKpRpPqYDXMLWU=; b=0orycW0YId/hlDAF5HVIobA5KKs9sLVn+60ZGp+4QKnsE7Le6hMcwiPF6LnUgbxeu6 jRw+z5RGBsu2+7myx3CVK1a79WMlY/PC05Aky3W8NAWz41g9lqVgohOy9ACKZnFFSUCi /bqnJglSdWo9J9gh2GtGbauTu1lFRT93o0qi5dIhTzD89ClRyLMd4Spx+nknzcxio+Al CsJFtTLutMo0GHUjMxjzuzZkyJrdq+BeQzNvvDMqOZq46QjHq5+8h/dZu0rSFIgItktH ODaPEHA3i6+h+yeRXJDDa6G4L7MaX5rBruw4tMK5Li3KxPiCk/1mPdA5uFDsap4c7zZE 8/Xw== X-Received: by 10.98.80.79 with SMTP id e76mr27389693pfb.126.1452530165455; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from stas-air.router ([166.170.39.245]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fl9sm186903635pab.33.2016.01.11.08.36.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:36:04 -0800 (PST) To: Anthony Ferrara References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> <5691D820.4080309@gmail.com> <56934116.70002@garfieldtech.com> <5693D1A4.2050208@gmail.com> Cc: PHP internals X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5693D9F2.7010706@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:36:02 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > This particular case isn't what a CoC would protect. So I think that's > a bit of a red herring. The CoC doesn't try to enforce itself outside > of the scope of project members. Instead, it applies to project OK, that is clear enough, but I see an issue here - we'd be applying an pressure that would very quickly modify behavior towards using sockpuppet accounts. In fact, since we're all smart people here, I think one instance of enforcement would switch virtually all abuse to sockpuppets - why risk CoC complaints if you can make a new account with a witty name and vent freely? Which would mean if our goal were to reduce abuse, it would fail very fast. In fact, sockpuppets probably would be more abusive, since Speaking Truth To Power is so much fun. Of course, if we have clearly understood limits - such as discussion by project members in a project-related context - it would not hurt. I'm afraid it wouldn't help much either. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com