Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90506 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 50118 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2016 16:15:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2016 16:15:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.51 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.51 mail-pa0-f51.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.51] ([209.85.220.51:34223] helo=mail-pa0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B1/12-40147-C15D3965 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:15:25 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id uo6so306535616pac.1 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:15:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pxiTkRntYffT6itXpaAoc3uo9BLz2Iee7963m+oBRNA=; b=fk3DxnUlFHp911bGr4phEemFdXkwQhDyt6lHAW0/3zxGqMTeYzhOdBlYmOCvo+bjV2 7oa3SZgDP5bfD/kmRwztM9R9maq8rGYYkERcg5LF/3jS+8eesHV8U57ZOUNL/hhRC/fu 0Y1UgXnf3seXoOZlj5h9RZuzTjaI0jQeNeDeNI2hIACQRG+0Y4+0BemsFvCSTg7p80ID wwwJjveGT7ybP7soZ9bc7lsHOL7CeexgpsutJEnZ7YR+ztj4lF3uI3wap1zWaQDbNv4X w0Ebe/brzx6lgGtIr9ezSjDK12gB+iJNmbuHBo1wsG2oJQGWuVp2I5ajGntOuMuNGdBt YyUw== X-Received: by 10.66.141.41 with SMTP id rl9mr181351825pab.139.1452528921573; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from stas-air.router ([166.170.39.245]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v7sm24322969pfa.77.2016.01.11.08.14.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:15:21 -0800 (PST) To: Ferenc Kovacs References: <5690BCE6.6010908@gmail.com> <569182FD.6070404@gmail.com> <5693BB43.5020103@eliw.com> <5693C739.8010206@eliw.com> Cc: PHP Internals X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5693D500.9070800@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:14:56 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Anonymous voting on wiki From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > the anonymous voting was reverted almost instantly, or about the recent CoC > discussion which was back and forth between having the voters/reporters > privacy, shielding them from potential backlash or having more transparency > for the voting results, so I'm curious about what Stas meant as well. I refer to the time when we had a patch that introduced anonymous votes. My personal opinion is that *if* we were to get to the point when substantial number of people are being attacked personally merely for voting this way or that way, that makes them fearful, it would be horrible. And we'd have to think really hard how to fix that - starting maybe for them to find out a trusted individual in the community which would assemble this information and try to figure out where it is coming from and how to counter that. If however it is just some people not wishing to invest in supporting one side or another, out of concern that it takes too much time and effort to sustain discussion - this is completely normal. We do want more contributors, but when it comes to voting, I think we want the contributors to commit to being serious about their position. There's no obligation to vote if you prefer not to. But if you do, standing by your vote is part of it. This was the idea why we decided to have open vote, as I understand it. So far I don't think it changed - unless, of course, there would be new data that changes the picture. When voting on behavioral matters, however, it is different, since the pattern of bad conduct is at least alleged by the very nature of the matter in question. So there the benefits of anonymous vote outweigh the issues, I think. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com