Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90500 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 36764 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2016 15:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2016 15:35:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=kevin@gohearsay.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=kevin@gohearsay.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gohearsay.com designates 50.116.30.253 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: kevin@gohearsay.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 50.116.30.253 li495-253.members.linode.com Received: from [50.116.30.253] ([50.116.30.253:46321] helo=frodo.gohearsay.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id EE/3B-64385-2CBC3965 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:35:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gohearsay.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject: Mime-Version:Message-Id:Content-Type:From; bh=H9r6FPGUHWSn+aoiRe/seYzpj04RIMBcEH3db+YsIzs=; b=V5TeJd5lqUbHv02xLWD4a1L6po fTfrJ7lqH+ZEAnRYZQJwYhVbmgSmMGyB88OZrw/Qe6hV0YSuUBWPYemX/3hRjISlztZ/DZZXUc0ru Ph+iRrERZLrsGM0Rlye4cpB/Lfnl0yRvuA+wgLuAEpWGabxnyypWivi1amj4U7VZDB0k=; Received: from c-68-52-158-4.hsd1.tn.comcast.net ([68.52.158.4]:37336 helo=[10.0.1.6]) by frodo.gohearsay.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aIeV8-0004nL-32 for internals@lists.php.net; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:35:27 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_96D5901F-0C33-4673-8133-4C7FAFC75DA2" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:33:53 -0600 References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> <5691D820.4080309@gmail.com> <56934116.70002@garfieldtech.com> To: PHP internals In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - frodo.gohearsay.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gohearsay.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: frodo.gohearsay.com: authenticated_id: kevin@gohearsay.com X-Authenticated-Sender: frodo.gohearsay.com: kevin@gohearsay.com Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: kevin@gohearsay.com (Kevin Smith) --Apple-Mail=_96D5901F-0C33-4673-8133-4C7FAFC75DA2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Anthony Ferrara = wrote: >=20 > Brandon, >=20 > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Brandon Savage > > wrote: >=20 >> And that to me is the crux of the issue. When it comes to making >> discussions on internals more civilized, governing a person's conduct = *as >> it relates to their participation in the discussion* is about as far = as PHP >> should go. A person who is not a party to the discussion, who does = not >> vote, but does have karma, who happens to tweet "I think X is a moron = for >> proposing Y" is entitled to that opinion, *until they bring it here.* >=20 > While everyone is entitled to their opinion, sharing that opinion is > potentially another story. I think the exact quote you bring here is > one of the things a CoC is designed to prevent. I would absolutely > consider it bad if one karma-holding individual calls another a > "moron" at all in public for proposing an RFC. While we may disagree > with someone, we should hold ourselves to a constructive standard. The > vast majority of people here want to see PHP (as a project) improve. > Even if we don't agree with how someone approaches that, we should at > least hold ourselves to a level of mutual respect. Going out and > calling someone a moron in public is not constructive nor respectful, > and IMHO we as a project shouldn't sit back and blindly say "whatever" > if it happens. Ok, so given this continued line of reasoning, is this a fair summary:=20= The goal of this proposal is to create a code and enforcement body that = seeks to improve the content and tone of communications by and between = members of the PHP community regardless of venue using punitive measures = if necessary. Kevin Smith Hearsay Interactive = --Apple-Mail=_96D5901F-0C33-4673-8133-4C7FAFC75DA2--