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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:05:05 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Anonymous voting on wiki
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>
> > Hi Stas,
> >
> > Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> >
> > > Since in CoC discussion it was mentioned we may need anonymous
> > > voting, I've created a patch that allows anonymous polls to be
> > > created:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/7
> > >
> > > The results still recorded per user, but everybody can see just
> > > their own vote (for logged in users) and total summary. People with
> > > shell access to the server will be able to see the votes,
> > > unfortunately I don't see how to avoid that without serious rewrite.
> > > Also, once the poll is created as anonymous it can't be turned into
> > > non-anonymous without resetting the results or manual admin action.
> > >
> > > Please review/comment. Is it's good, I propose to deploy it on
> > > wiki.php.net.
> > >
> >
> > This seems useful. I do wonder whether we should use by default for
> > RFCs. It's interesting to see how different people vote, and knowing
> > who voted which way means you can ask them what their objections were.
>
> I have gotten these question in the past, and I think it's important to
> be able to be asked why you made a specific choice.
>
> > Though, anonymous voting would mean no potential for harassing people
> > for the way they voted (though they're not necessarily free of
> > harassment for their opinion - many people make theirs public anyway).
>
> I do think that for normal RFCs, voting should not be anonymous.
>
> However, if we go that way, I find it important that once voting is
> closed, the votes are always shown (for normal RFCs) - even if chose to
> make normal RFC voting anonymous.
>
> > One concern I have with the patch is that it doesn't appear (by my
> > reading of the code) to show who voted. I think it's important to know
> > who participated in the vote, even if we don't know which way they
> > voted.
>
> I disagree, I think it is important to know who voted for what in the
> end. Some accountability is good.
>

agree, otherwise it will be very hard/impossible to notice if/when somebody
borks/manipulates the votes.

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