Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90487 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 12662 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2016 13:46:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jan 2016 13:46:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=kevin@gohearsay.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=kevin@gohearsay.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gohearsay.com designates 50.116.30.253 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: kevin@gohearsay.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 50.116.30.253 li495-253.members.linode.com Received: from [50.116.30.253] ([50.116.30.253:43974] helo=frodo.gohearsay.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8F/76-64385-842B3965 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:46:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gohearsay.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:To:References:Date:Subject: Mime-Version:Message-Id:Content-Type:From; bh=+0DjZfgcjDFE+J+LT4y6O1mKCz/gw2F37fxw9TYTdA8=; b=Atj+FWQh54gLkS/RhCGrC+/QKd 9TvejRQIvZityGHYxgrmt+VmVViOofiyAahIl0knOPzndPj6AYsVutMlAIlk96OmuclozdyWu7rYH DU+wjyiXcB7wAa6817vPZFP6I73oSi8VpeD54Qz+C6fHVpeyXBKV4uhb7RnRepUs/cf4=; Received: from c-68-52-158-4.hsd1.tn.comcast.net ([68.52.158.4]:48498 helo=[10.0.1.6]) by frodo.gohearsay.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aIco2-0002Mk-65 for internals@lists.php.net; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 07:46:46 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3016C8CF-7B3A-4205-A54F-4CDC8492BCF6" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 07:46:44 -0600 References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> <5691D820.4080309@gmail.com> <56934116.70002@garfieldtech.com> <56936C66.2050006@gmail.com> To: PHP internals In-Reply-To: <56936C66.2050006@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - frodo.gohearsay.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gohearsay.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: frodo.gohearsay.com: authenticated_id: kevin@gohearsay.com X-Authenticated-Sender: frodo.gohearsay.com: kevin@gohearsay.com Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: kevin@gohearsay.com (Kevin Smith) --Apple-Mail=_3016C8CF-7B3A-4205-A54F-4CDC8492BCF6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > On Jan 11, 2016, at 2:48 AM, Stanislav Malyshev = wrote: >=20 > So, we have a situation where we have a mismatch between a problem and = a > solution, and that is what the misunderstanding is based on. You and > several other people try to prove something we already agree about - > that certain problems exist - and forget to prove something that needs > to be proven - that what you propose would solve *these* problems in = any > acceptable way. Instead, the solution (at least part of it) is = designed > to solve *different* problems, which nobody showed we even had. This > mismatch is an issue. This is my chief concern with the proposal. We keep seeing allusions to = problems of toxicity and tone and the like all the while being assured = that the proposal does not seek to dictate behavior or punish people for = defending their position passionately. If the latter is true, what=92s the use in making a case that certain = people and/or communication channels aren=92t friendly enough? =20 Kevin Smith Hearsay Interactive --Apple-Mail=_3016C8CF-7B3A-4205-A54F-4CDC8492BCF6--