Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90452 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 264 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2016 13:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2016 13:15:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@dennis.birkholz.biz; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@dennis.birkholz.biz; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain dennis.birkholz.biz does not designate 144.76.185.252 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@dennis.birkholz.biz X-Host-Fingerprint: 144.76.185.252 mx01.nexxes.net Received: from [144.76.185.252] ([144.76.185.252:59352] helo=mx01.nexxes.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 00/0C-14657-A7952965 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:15:40 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (xdsl-87-78-42-191.netcologne.de [87.78.42.191]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: db220660-p0g-1@packages.nexxes.net) by mx01.nexxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11A9948255A; Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:15:36 +0100 (CET) To: Lester Caine , internals@lists.php.net References: <5690BCE6.6010908@gmail.com> <569182FD.6070404@gmail.com> <56918458.1070101@gmail.com> <5691D2EA.1050808@gmail.com> <5692307D.5050900@lsces.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56925977.1040801@dennis.birkholz.biz> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 14:15:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5692307D.5050900@lsces.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Anonymous voting on wiki From: php@dennis.birkholz.biz (Dennis Birkholz) Am 10.01.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Lester Caine: > The debate on Anonymous voting has been voted on already? > > From my own point of view, I like to know who supports and who opposes a > particular RFC simply because I can't vote myself. It helps me to decide > if I need to look deeper into the RFC or if I can rely on those with > voting rights that I trust to get it right. We should not have to hide > our views so the idea that anonymity is a right is part of the problem > in the modern world? Part of the reason for now needing a CoC? I would really like to understand the rational behind anonymous voting in the PHP internals context. Votes for RFCs should be purely based on technical reasons and whether the language change would benefit the language in the long run or not. I see no reason why such a vote should be confidential. If a person does not stand behind his/her opinion for a technical change, I am not sure if that person should be allowed to decide the future of the language. These votes are not about religious believes, the politic attitude or something else personal. But it may be preferable to hide the Person<->Vote table until the vote is over. That would provide protection against harassment to win someone over and change his/her vote. I can understand that if an RFC came to pass to ban someone, this is no longer a technical vote and here anonymity would be preferable IMHO. Greets, Dennis