Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90449 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 89946 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2016 10:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2016 10:29:50 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andreas@heigl.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andreas@heigl.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain heigl.org from 195.191.240.18 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andreas@heigl.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.191.240.18 hos109.unaxus.net Received: from [195.191.240.18] ([195.191.240.18:37121] helo=hos109.unaxus.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8E/AA-14657-B9232965 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2016 05:29:48 -0500 Received: from heigl.gw.tgnet.de ([80.72.250.242]:50639 helo=wdv-hg-0C07-zX4090-HeiglAndreas.local) by hos109.unaxus.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1aIDFn-003VuE-T5; Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:29:44 +0100 To: Lester Caine , internals@lists.php.net References: <5690BCE6.6010908@gmail.com> <569182FD.6070404@gmail.com> <56918458.1070101@gmail.com> <5691D2EA.1050808@gmail.com> <5692307D.5050900@lsces.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56923297.3060500@heigl.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:29:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5692307D.5050900@lsces.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms080405050906070600090905" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hos109.unaxus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - heigl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hos109.unaxus.net: authenticated_id: a.heigl+heigl.org/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: hos109.unaxus.net: a.heigl@heigl.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Anonymous voting on wiki From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) --------------ms080405050906070600090905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All. Am 10.01.16 um 11:20 schrieb Lester Caine: > On 10/01/16 03:41, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >>>>> Perhaps then show them once the vote is closed? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's possible. >>>> >>>> I do not see how it helps except to... know who voted what. Indeed i= f >>>> we only show who voted but not how, that's fine. If not, it makes th= e >>>> whole thing useless. >> The idea is that while vote is open, only totals are shown. When the >> vote is closed, the total and the list of voters are shown, but the >> individual votes still aren't. >> I'm not sure whether it is better or not, since secret ballot also mea= ns >> confidentiality about whether somebody voted or not, and in some cases= >> (e.g. unanimous voting or some votes disclosed) it may still be possib= le >> to deduce individual votes given the list of participants. >=20 > The debate on Anonymous voting has been voted on already? >=20 > From my own point of view, I like to know who supports and who opposes = a > particular RFC simply because I can't vote myself. It helps me to decid= e > if I need to look deeper into the RFC or if I can rely on those with > voting rights that I trust to get it right. We should not have to hide > our views so the idea that anonymity is a right is part of the problem > in the modern world? Part of the reason for now needing a CoC? Thank you Lester for expressing that view. I am not really sure about anonymous voting myself. I can understand that anonymous voting is a good idea *during the voting phase* but I am strongly against withholding the names of the voters as well as their vote *after the voting ends*. In any case I'm sure that this is something that affects the whole RFC-Process and should be put up in a separate RFC and not just be implemented "en passant" in a few lines of code. And In my eyes, as it's a change to the RFC-Process it shoud need a 2/3rd majority. Just my 2 cent. Cheers Andreas PS: If there's no one else I would try to set up the RFC but would be very gratefull to have someone mentor me there. >=20 --=20 ,,, (o o) +---------------------------------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-+ | Andreas Heigl | | mailto:andreas@heigl.org N 50=C2=B022'59.5" E 08=C2=B0= 23'58" | | http://andreas.heigl.org http://hei.gl/wiFKy7 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://hei.gl/root-ca | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ --------------ms080405050906070600090905 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC BawwggWoMIIDkKADAgECAgMPT+kwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQENBQAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBD QTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNp Z25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcwHhcN MTQwNzIzMDkzMjQ5WhcNMTYwNzIyMDkzMjQ5WjBcMRYwFAYDVQQDEw1BbmRyZWFzIEhlaWds MSAwHgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhFhLmhlaWdsQGhlaWdsLm9yZzEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYRYW5k cmVhc0BoZWlnbC5vcmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQCn6XLcWFLD vAXgllUikBAU2Rv63m7ZKP+ZU/2HTWDW0BJ2muK7GD3cGZxbKKosO6l6PSqqmLqUJ8G6b/85 iPQmNL5z+LG/+wt/p31SOMAWc5UA7CJAQ9pivUCcV+Yt0LzoxWO5ME2rEZ/ioB2tXMilkJLM U4f5A9m3YZVSKj3xbM7rIpQEZiK0TrZ4MchTwPMdAwBLBxCoAztcg4Yj4qKd+IQLff0Ldhc5 3tc9b+XT7YzWLY5rQKHE+hKqIAdvYfqqKQZFHBBXptSXUXBeYK5a4UT0fpnMP7toqr/9mLlK +FvDNeVwSo5I/abiqdek1lH0/xwYy9im8k4SRtLTAp7hAgMBAAGjggFUMIIBUDAMBgNVHRMB Af8EAjAAMFYGCWCGSAGG+EIBDQRJFkdUbyBnZXQgeW91ciBvd24gY2VydGlmaWNhdGUgZm9y IEZSRUUgaGVhZCBvdmVyIHRvIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuQ0FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAOBgNVHQ8BAf8EBAMC A6gwQAYDVR0lBDkwNwYIKwYBBQUHAwQGCCsGAQUFBwMCBgorBgEEAYI3CgMEBgorBgEEAYI3 CgMDBglghkgBhvhCBAEwMgYIKwYBBQUHAQEEJjAkMCIGCCsGAQUFBzABhhZodHRwOi8vb2Nz cC5jYWNlcnQub3JnMDEGA1UdHwQqMCgwJqAkoCKGIGh0dHA6Ly9jcmwuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZy9y ZXZva2UuY3JsMC8GA1UdEQQoMCaBEWEuaGVpZ2xAaGVpZ2wub3JngRFhbmRyZWFzQGhlaWds Lm9yZzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQ0FAAOCAgEAlG1bUuar9u5ONtedFR7UHp7MNa5Lnu+VzQ6IQAg+ ghXlHdLqU2V2R8BaWCFlaCCkGqX8Od5Z0XpAKfHlfbVMV7vRZBqhnzwe28+QqcI47pzawaBo DFNjS138orZEOPW88S8JcTsoUfy57U7z/4tSjYwCFKmLFQLLPWt/TzhrPWCgdg5PANSTELnH YGy5cA66pbGRp9B/ofHOpAxW4mQPGPEcXHZpkkna4034PkPKGyGg24YTqS+0zVPrXiEemKY8 f7vuSnvnHTQc61Ubk091UGI0dUUJeEncEDR1G5uTzTLdk+5/J6O2CA3gpCMjmAdly7p2WzrX 9LEWJ5f+VvkE/NzerPZyOdC1HTRvQAHkpxewyg4u8MHjBhakVXBLzOVSoEOd6ttSvquSyUU/ 1hhDuKZaz3kBnGpyhlnY3ZqN7mhF15XcD//C8kKAe6rDF7+asKIQV59GAkyeTSBGFt0eceqQ bD/gcGWWfPZK6jTLVFvr1eXERLF9MPoA0+JdfpzjfC9shfVfAjLBI97MGKzpXBR8B9GT+ieY yUM101/vsb6mne6nTtj9cIf74S4T6yEFL5+Oi2JsVDgh0mSKNiFLfZvLFJOfyF2KctGIS1Jv mjJU8CznFdd7Z9psgoaXk2HwvgJXkfKBCW1RdrzdyXrGVymqEyGVqiG5gZ0iC1ZfFRcxggOx MIIDrQIBATCBgDB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4wHAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNh Y2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZwIDD0/pMA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAQUAoIICATAYBgkq hkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xNjAxMTAxMDI5NDNaMC8G CSqGSIb3DQEJBDEiBCBPsVUNJSkYKb9zTqIGulUmuNxQ6Yz1+tlTFxOOCnrR9TBsBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQ8xXzBdMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBKjALBglghkgBZQMEAQIwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZI hvcNAwICAgCAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFAMAcGBSsOAwIHMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMIGRBgkr BgEEAYI3EAQxgYMwgYAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBDQTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNpZ25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJ KoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcCAw9P6TCBkwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxgYOg gYAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBDQTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3Jn MSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNpZ25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJz dXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcCAw9P6TANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQAVudjb4hPUvrUiRJw4 nCVGB2Tv8UfZXDC1IBBg5d9d7A4qZizuGCFbDL95Sy/7E++Bm/QPjMaTbLcUpR3Ru+rIoEEy QqJrkdQSjgpaBIr167NvpvJLgEJxpciPdWoFLc98Y7Jv2Di5+NMZBEh3z7Om0nm0G4tu0T8h RHUaec2y6WHLqTmL0n/fY/Dhuj7HEGO3d53f5p9wErms2ZZjyPU/ZbUCJ1Tk70wrLZMiBUqk /4S1Sc5/Yudyjz4jFkWdrvP30VsKxL4lSIQreM/VydllrwDLFzY29YrZWxShzWibh0mo5PZj DCIzmDt1cQBINXdViawIQWIfZoYJUTXDG4b+AAAAAAAA --------------ms080405050906070600090905--