Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90447 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 86459 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2016 10:06:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2016 10:06:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 217.147.176.204 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.147.176.204 mail4.serversure.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.147.176.204] ([217.147.176.204:42161] helo=mail4.serversure.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3C/F9-14657-D0D22965 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 2016 05:06:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 25106 invoked by uid 89); 10 Jan 2016 10:06:02 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.3.1 ppid: 25100, pid: 25103, t: 0.0917s scanners: attach: 1.3.1 clamav: 0.96/m:52/d:10677 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.7?) (lester@rainbowdigitalmedia.org.uk@81.138.11.136) by mail4.serversure.net with ESMTPA; 10 Jan 2016 10:06:02 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> <5691DC0F.90404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56922D09.7010809@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:06:01 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5691DC0F.90404@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) On 10/01/16 04:20, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> currently 207 messages long. Out of that 207, the vast majority *FROM >> > EITHER SIDE* is either rhetoric, hyperbole or pure argument. > What's wrong with rhetoric and argument? That's how discussion is made. > Hyperbole, of course, can be toned down, though we are all humans, so I > would expect it to show up from time to time. > >> > But foremost, let's act like professionals. > Wholeheartedly agree. I've not read the whole of the thread for the simple reason that it's a sad reflection on the world today that we need to discuss it at all on a project that has no political or religious content. My own view on life is that we would be much better off if both religion and politics were banned and no one has the right to kill another ... especially in war. Do we need a Coc ... Nowadays probably since common decency has been lost? And it should be a lot easier to adopt an 'off the shelf' one than it is to decide on a stock open source licence agreement? Do we need a judiciary to enforce it ... NO even when you enforce a decision on the world stage, the 'looser' simply moves to a higher court ... or ignores the decision altogether. Do we need a 'Conflict Resolution Team' instead ... Again probably yes, but who would actually want to take on that hot potato? Since very few of the external discussion channels effectively police their traffic for the sort of harassment that is being discussed, all that can be done is to moderate traffic that IS under PHP control, so would it not be better initially to better moderate those channels? PHP has in my opinion always been built on common courtesy and so has not had to be pro active in policing contributors but that time is long passed? Which is a shame ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk