Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90442 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65241 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2016 04:03:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2016 04:03:52 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.192.170 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.192.170 mail-pf0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.192.170] ([209.85.192.170:33993] helo=mail-pf0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 85/97-14657-728D1965 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 23:03:51 -0500 Received: by mail-pf0-f170.google.com with SMTP id q63so28993503pfb.1 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 20:03:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+tJy9eq6efdcCDiSJBNcM0dT6ijJviIXl1FrV2v+se0=; b=EGvEQTBljpqlffcSG2JEv42A2hDKkKPw9zf1DqnLlNo1L3g/mQcEMcqt8VuGvwf0D3 uZF7E8BWvRSDjM06/1oBxF/w6yk9TcPrRPTLpAAfOEG/1oULh22oxC+/ByAebge7kZtd 6esXDc5K4AzCTISan4rN9/LsFuMF+W4cNspBfW2d83A9zhEHvuzOm7UtZ7kiNewtC/mF xWmCjGtsCXncAv10GyoOnM2DZiBTMMF16KPqcgc9vgoH4D4u7CQrZf1OznqiMFMOKE6o 5Np3d9fOloy2k9r9o1JtcNnZMiJUPLhqQnfOAem4DmKTDmtEjPc8f38Zql5dl8/EcP5l p8cQ== X-Received: by 10.98.75.22 with SMTP id y22mr16673887pfa.147.1452398627987; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 20:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:d43e:d04f:9263:93fb? ([2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:d43e:d04f:9263:93fb]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d21sm14236478pfj.32.2016.01.09.20.03.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jan 2016 20:03:47 -0800 (PST) To: David Zuelke , Anthony Ferrara References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> Cc: Kevin Smith , "internals@lists.php.net" X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <5691D820.4080309@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:03:44 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > I was not hesitant (or, let's maybe call it "intentionally > procrastinating") to post on this topic because I felt unsafe on this > list or in the general realm of the PHP community; I simply was in no > mood to deal with a mob of self-proclaimed-or-not "Social Justice > Warriors" and their digital pitchforks on twitter or elsewhere - and > they're already trying: > https://twitter.com/drupliconissad/status/685489458934841344 And this is exactly why I don't want us to give opening to such kind of people to come here and try to abuse our CoC for their means - basically for "hounding out" people they for some reason disagree with. They exist, and they are eager and willing to destroy (not physically but professionally and reputation-wise) everybody who disagrees with them, and I am not exaggerating. And I don't want them here. So anything that hints that they are welcome to do their thing here makes me feel uneasy (having CoC does not, but declaring that we police the behavior outside the community feels like going into that direction). Here I think "hounding out" is not our favorite pastime, and I think it should remain this way. That is unless, of course, this account is a troll created to destroy the CoC cause. In which case I envy the power of commitment and the talent behind it and I wish that talent were applied to a more worthy goal. But in any case this one is not alone - I've read many comments if not as explicit, but with same thought and intent, on various forums. Some of them, surprisingly, even signed by real names. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com