Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90439 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60551 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2016 03:48:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2016 03:48:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ircmaxell@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ircmaxell@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ircmaxell@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.49 mail-wm0-f49.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.49] ([74.125.82.49:32903] helo=mail-wm0-f49.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CB/86-14657-D94D1965 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 22:48:46 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id f206so176870400wmf.0 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RQhi10zxCyoAgwLc/jzLyhHsrtSTvUEc6QMM6OskocQ=; b=nmcN7o7W/hZdRhSA08sjCVMBpbT3oxFm8msE2VTKsXL/FRvukZ5OkEEBdtpvNWzc2p /us7TuxXjGBTW+vgewgYHm+zRXw37by3BrMF8wFfLbUXuxGDK5EXBqCXTQFkslBOCe6K m64peTOgOrARcQeAYO3kpHLyjn1BSUPjhpnXLNmtF/4evYGbsNJZeFy1zu4yXljsrr86 WqlR8Bvul2VoliYko3ifUq+0JXJ5i10vS/81RjjAyVMh5uAc44b/sGFblc3f2PAYGyr6 Q1u+WM5OqoayYGfLnoWuPVYRhgJbe1oq1jmQWGVDxtbWhUXTuQcRCp1agvE70Ov0dXt6 gOFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.52.68 with SMTP id r4mr121737559wjo.8.1452397722986; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 19:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.11.77 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 19:48:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 22:48:42 -0500 Message-ID: To: David Zuelke Cc: Kevin Smith , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: ircmaxell@gmail.com (Anthony Ferrara) All, > I was not hesitant (or, let's maybe call it "intentionally procrastinatin= g") to post on this topic because I felt unsafe on this list or in the gene= ral realm of the PHP community; I simply was in no mood to deal with a mob = of self-proclaimed-or-not "Social Justice Warriors" and their digital pitch= forks on twitter or elsewhere - and they're already trying: https://twitter= .com/drupliconissad/status/685489458934841344 Please, let's stop this rhetoric and propaganda. All of you. Since day one supporters of a CoC have been attacked. We've been called "SJW", "Fascists", "Feminists", and a whole more, and a whole lot worse. Have you looked at Reddit? Have you looked at Twitter? Hell, David just called us a "mob of self-proclaimed-or-not Social Justice Warriors." Outsiders have joined that rally against "SJW" and "Fascism" (and that's me being nice as to what they are saying). Aside from Phil Sturgeon (who used unacceptably harsh language), the people who support this have been exceedingly reasonable. We've been trying to discuss logic. We've been trying to keep a level head and talk compromise. We've been trying to come to a middle ground solution that works for everyone. I've personally spent a lot of time talking to people 1:1 constructively to try to figure out what the right approach. We're reaching out to other projects to try to find a common baseline. Not to pass something, but to pass the right thing. I've said that in basically every reply to the entire discussion in every thread I've been a part of. Yet time and time again, we're attacked and accused. A perfect example here is the obviously troll account cited here that looks like it has a feminist agenda, and then call out for digital pitchforks. This has got to stop. Please, be professionals. This thread is currently 207 messages long. Out of that 207, the vast majority *FROM EITHER SIDE* is either rhetoric, hyperbole or pure argument. On a thread discussing a **DRAFT** proposal. Please stop with the bullshit arguments about "power takeovers" or "political crap" or "pitchforks" or the passive-aggressive comments. Please stop with all of the distraction. If you have something constructive to contribute that will help reach a meaningful compromise, then by all means, let's discuss it. But please keep the tone civil, and the attacks out of it. But foremost, let's act like professionals. Anthony