Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90432 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 49247 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2016 02:58:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2016 02:58:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=dz@heroku.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=dz@heroku.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain heroku.com designates 209.85.213.175 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: dz@heroku.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.175 mail-ig0-f175.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.175] ([209.85.213.175:34097] helo=mail-ig0-f175.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4F/14-14657-6B8C1965 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 21:57:59 -0500 Received: by mail-ig0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ik10so102872883igb.1 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 18:57:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heroku-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=8+8+DQ9WeEkgFdsvOne2VQeAEDK1eKPrfi8PoHsu7XI=; b=aP7Lh+CEtUnoCIJqoDXWmLIA7iqdMoA5wzOT+V+efIcUBUXnWy2IesSnfB4VVUMovc MsZv1s6EqiQMv+l0Z3Y8eIVSqaddPUZ1hBVIYL25IJp2pvGt1oPTJX21qtaMhD38oJTG qMkJ3TVA4X+859rfkWdrLHbsBuXor09PwYF2vEQrCh3xy06aiOnFi+W9CYwT4g5kWhAA XwlJLibbH1EjUM+h5yo6sw82AciKfpfjoqMcdTc3MLW69djHXAWqN4wkhIhs0yjOVuCD +YCROvbohn1XsLndOzue1+OVCrGXwK0JQm1d02fvyNd+Ztv2lvXGIaJmInF7ggU+vbvB fx4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=8+8+DQ9WeEkgFdsvOne2VQeAEDK1eKPrfi8PoHsu7XI=; b=Iy3/0RrDXMoonTmjXfH2NPwYeTuyypPtkaeT5asHRjhUVhcEDFdn/QeUqNZ1btTjZt cD72YYlsTc2XrBPbVI6fQ8QxicvUTuKm8wMyjYs6hG50L57exLN62vP+Bc8WaR7WUzNA jgKFhCxKKXRtlqAhGCegeb7I+WRhk0/iML8uxUpRUWhydyJc50M0pbgp55aQ/czN32Mg qmOHoXWU1bmEIAQti6jH7UVj/jqkMxfb9mYVvf94BAHpqHCcrmVbx2YMrSmXaeYMS+tZ fzCG3Im1N034as6B7ABMPQJQ0Chg9yEXad1SQkben4Pd1ZAquZVCyIjn2+o71/OEL0Ju NXag== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnr9fBz/MJs4GitKh56M8V4TjdfbJg54Q2jiNfxH07Z5ul2dZSRThi1qMdyX99fJEKqRPdTjJnc5Mjiwo362bB9iCH2RA== X-Received: by 10.50.79.231 with SMTP id m7mr6135321igx.15.1452394676529; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 18:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.19.131.101] ([12.130.117.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id wd7sm2394823igb.13.2016.01.09.18.57.53 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Jan 2016 18:57:55 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:57:50 -0800 Cc: Kevin Smith , "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <44142A2C-0E7C-4525-880F-7759CD8A502A@heroku.com> References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <0E9E4C89-1800-4000-BD5A-BC81F43BE2FE@gohearsay.com> To: Anthony Ferrara X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: dz@heroku.com (David Zuelke) On 08.01.2016, at 07:47, Anthony Ferrara wrote: >=20 > I don't think anything in this thread warrants the term "attack" or > "harassment". While I strongly don't agree with the tone being used > nor the tactics being used, I don't think they warrant any sort of CoC > violation. But who gets to decide that for future instances of... let's call them = "heated debates"? The person who feels offended in some way, or merely = disagrees? This sheer subjectivity IMO is the biggest issue here. > Sure. I'm sure there are a lot more that aren't talking that are > against it. But I think you proved my point here which is that people > are afraid to share their opinion here. That is a strong indicator > that something isn't healthy *today*. It says nothing about the > potential solution, but it should act as a pretty strong heuristic > that "status quo" isn't really good either. I was not hesitant (or, let's maybe call it "intentionally = procrastinating") to post on this topic because I felt unsafe on this = list or in the general realm of the PHP community; I simply was in no = mood to deal with a mob of self-proclaimed-or-not "Social Justice = Warriors" and their digital pitchforks on twitter or elsewhere - and = they're already trying: = https://twitter.com/drupliconissad/status/685489458934841344