Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90408 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59834 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2016 07:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jan 2016 07:27:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.51 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.51 mail-pa0-f51.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.51] ([209.85.220.51:34563] helo=mail-pa0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C5/00-59249-656B0965 for ; Sat, 09 Jan 2016 02:27:19 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id uo6so276475208pac.1 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 23:27:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=edUCwWWcrbS6B9ikS1JHX73lHHZfG0XevKMI4eTGcu8=; b=aJgo/Vi+CVEwZO3Wf+QpjkF7iBs+K7MRz+5D7PhHeVClP2z8RDsx8SFgtmJR8SVgr4 frw41u+lDtLtU9YfjQgbn1hQ1pyBU/7VF4A7fI85kELu7utDMdww8oN7LMizCKP+G+97 DqKkt2CLmayc1mtF76WXD7s9TOZFO1LMDthJYWyRwAgnh53M5OJpi/RJgf18/pjGSkBs xJiholN6EolwgFbe+IdxsxPn0G2gchQpVz32yCqP5dN+R0StmBcjmKa8TJ8L1beiY44q k7R9Gspy8PvY+3vKaz/gs11TruglsL03yyMwC/cav08ZWD1P7BbAODeIhvsD2EU2w2qm hRnw== X-Received: by 10.66.117.199 with SMTP id kg7mr165421766pab.105.1452324434929; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 23:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:d43e:d04f:9263:93fb? ([2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:d43e:d04f:9263:93fb]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y18sm9177501pfi.84.2016.01.08.23.27.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Jan 2016 23:27:13 -0800 (PST) To: Pierre Joye References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <568FEBB2.4090001@gmail.com> <569007F5.3030004@gmail.com> <56902C5E.2020401@gmail.com> <5690A7E6.3010605@gmail.com> Cc: PHP internals Message-ID: <5690B64F.9050405@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 23:27:11 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > One problem we discuss this using two different ends. I mainly focus on > providing tools to ensure we have a safe context. While you seem to > ensure that we do not mistakes, do not ban innocent or apply censorship > inadvertently. If you looks at creating safe context without worrying about mistakes, then this is easy - just ban everybody who sends anything anybody doesn't like. No need for process, votes, etc. Of course, that would ruin the community, but safety would be ensured. I hope that illustrates absurdity of looking for safety alone, without ensuring safeguards. For the sci-fi rendering of the same theme, I recommend Watchbird by R. Sheckley: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29579/29579-h/29579-h.htm This is how safe context without safeguards looks like. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com