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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> I am referring to multiple comments here of actual harassment or bad
> behavior (I described what it is) and agressivity.

I still do not have any example of "actual harassment" that happened
anywhere on community resources. Even examples of bad behavior that got
people banned weren't really harassment but more uncivil and disruptive
behavior, and those can't really be quoted as something constantly
turning people off as they were rare and dealt with rather soon. Other
things I heard is vague allegations of something that happened in
private, and I respect the unwillingness of people to drag these (I
assume rather disgusting) matters to the public, but CoC would not
prevent somebody from contacting somebody else privately (and under fake
email address, for example).

As for "aggressivity", I genuinely have no idea what you mean by that.
That is exactly the problem - you think that everybody shares your ideas
about what "aggressivity" means, but everybody has their own completely
different ideas. And if we talking about mediation, that's no big deal -
worst case, somebody would be politely asked to cool down when it wasn't
necessary, no problem. But if somebody would be mistakenly banned or
even threatened with a ban while not doing anything wrong - that could
poison the well and destroy the trust for years.

> And it is not what i am referring to. Neither what other were referring
> to. But you keep saying that it did not or does not exist. This is not good.

Because you keep using vague and changing terms and bringing examples
that either aren't matching your terms or would not be covered by CoC
and prevented by it.

> Again vigorous discussions are not what I or other have talked about.

Then please define what is that "aggressivity" that prevents multiple
people from discussing on the list and where can we see examples of it,
and what in your opinion should have been done about those examples, had
CoC and CRT existed.
-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com