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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:07:50 +0200
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To: "Paul M. Jones" <pmjones88@gmail.com>, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul M. Jones [mailto:pmjones88@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 7:28 PM
> To: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 23:52, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
wrote:
> >
> > Do you think we can find 5 people in the PHP community that we can
trust
> to make fair decisions (NOT that we would always agree with, but that
are
> fair) that don't fall too far into "thought policing", in *any*
direction?  If not,
> then the community is already lost beyond all hope and we should all
just
> give up now.  I do not believe that to be the case, at all.
>
> Too long spent in a position of power, and even the most fair can become
> unfair.
>
> As I have suggested before: *if* there is to be a response team, let it
be
> randomly selected on per-reported-incident basis from the pool of
voters.
> Then there is no possibility of a charge of continuing bias, and it
distributes
> power among the pool, instead of concentrating it into a few members.
>
> Proponents of the response team: thoughts?

I think that depends on the nature of the response team.

If it's a mediation team, with the sole purpose to mediate - but otherwise
cannot impose a solution - it's actually better to have a 'professional'
one, rather than a random one.  I'd still have them voted on and changed
every so often (2 years that Larry proposed sounds reasonable), but given
the almost nonexistent risk of abuse, it's not much of a concern.

If it's a judicial body of any sort - then it's a lot more complicated.
I'm not sold on a randomly chosen team - but I think it is superior to a
voted team.  FWIW, it's quite different from a jury - as there's no judge
to guide things through, and there is no law to refer to.

Zeev