Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90378 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 84122 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2016 17:55:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Jan 2016 17:55:51 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.45 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.45 mail-pa0-f45.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.45] ([209.85.220.45:35691] helo=mail-pa0-f45.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 93/85-55593-628FF865 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:55:50 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ho8so24899655pac.2 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:55:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AHMcXd4tt6hU/cOdGIIO0QvkBAaxqqwj2Ce7Df3xOuo=; b=EnnUp023pYCuS2pBfuuiJ/QeyBi9WBQ0QWyxu5CmhAHZcu9exdgrd3B6UnLkfAoQnj 9wg8MVJIFS0lmdaxHWV9WeU7jRRCb8lNh4WInJ3hjgVEjSd7L6vckCbLC2TIvHK+ys8z h3WnDYf3942DwxcaRyHYUehGuEccXQVD7utBt/icp4R9YMRFpElxbcwNSJmJSgwvRbpy 6fHCQMHgN7ciAsMm6nc54vjM4M60r7BIzO0cJ3KpNQBp2NCT62yYxIZyI7CihkdGoQ3J jgWc8xrSty9KSDgI+8I/kOW1xB02vr6Oi3NGIbAbr+MG6G+hpCKpJT2HUHTdfuUkrXhY jrdg== X-Received: by 10.66.124.200 with SMTP id mk8mr44612328pab.43.1452275748154; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from stas-air.corp.wikimedia.org (tan1.corp.wikimedia.org. [198.73.209.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2sm6194157pfr.22.2016.01.08.09.55.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:55:47 -0800 (PST) To: Anthony Ferrara , Sara Golemon References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Zeev Suraski , "internals@lists.php.net" X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <568FF822.8020704@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:55:46 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > No. I will be willing to cut scope overall to cut how much it tackles > in the first swing, but I strongly believe that there needs to be some > sort of non-public resolution process defined. I agree, non-public CRT as part of the proposal seems fine. The punitive action is a bit more tricky, and I would propose to split it in another RFC and in this RFC to say just that CRT may recommend further punitive action to the community, as described by further RFCs, and move the whole process thing (which now seems to be the bulk of the RFC by volume) to it. I think separating values from process would make finding consensus easier and also make it easier to consume in the future for people that aren't very interested in the intricate details of how we vote. I think those are two topics which can be discussed separately and the former has much more consensus than the latter. > Simply look at the level of attacks that me and a few other committers > have received by making this proposal. I don't feel comfortable making > any of those attacks public (drawing more attention to them). In Then, by definition, we could not look at their level :) I am sorry you've been attacked, but if it's not public we really can't look at them. > The only way to know for sure would be to hold a vote (preferably a > blind one, but that's not really on the table). I don't believe the I can check over the weekend if I can make a patch that allows anonymous votes on wiki, based on that old patch here https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/1/files. It has to be modified to be configurable, of course, but that doesn't look impossible, at least before I know what I'm talking about :) -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com