Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90369 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68767 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2016 17:14:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Jan 2016 17:14:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.218.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.218.50 mail-oi0-f50.google.com Received: from [209.85.218.50] ([209.85.218.50:33058] helo=mail-oi0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 93/32-55593-67EEF865 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:14:30 -0500 Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id y66so338552653oig.0 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:14:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jhPgCl691/sUA+fziCT+p9WuD0tOdQgmmpnFCLaB1PM=; b=A6nVFHoIk1Ed848c7bMRHj0/UgVkbMfEPKF/HkdjonLK1JBsN5MrxKpOVpWPiNBdMM Oim7V//56kSt5XxhDwUQZ28+zkjvyb1t5Bg3pLJwjR0DZ1XliTuLMRGCTOgHL/kVit2W oQSWmMaKHo8k0vAakirjrV5ttVRu3cIW5V8Ya/fMugJ8W6377bOvzkszC/ogXRkIXNyq Q2q2cDPFUZpsPI08R/oRP+YhgHCM6w+FC1l1wZGJbUSZPTn9245PW5/bq4nICpSkhvAo qj1N+9RqaSOMs3WVgLaxwRs7zzgWUBBXrLK1QhkAk6UorMTQu8j2l4wOM/FpyMiRlbTv wSJQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.72.137 with SMTP id v131mr79011940oia.90.1452273267476; Fri, 08 Jan 2016 09:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.64.136 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.202.64.136 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:14:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <568FEBB2.4090001@gmail.com> References: <910b145571b2c3e98338d54c0dd6a981@mail.gmail.com> <568FEBB2.4090001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 00:14:26 +0700 Message-ID: To: Stas Malyshev Cc: PHP internals , Anthony Ferrara , Zeev Suraski , Sara Golemon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113e55a6398f4d0528d5b8a2 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) --001a113e55a6398f4d0528d5b8a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Jan 9, 2016 12:02 AM, "Stanislav Malyshev" wrote: > And it may be mean "I fear being > harassed or physically threatened by opponent" - and if so, this fear > doesn't look exactly substantiated, since that never happened so far, at > least on the list, so I wonder how we can fix it taking into attention > the fear is of something that does not exist. Ok. I think it is time for some definition and clarification. Fear about harassment and threats is not only about physical consequences. Psychological threat is very real and did happen here. I think it is time to stop negate this fact. Many of us have been strong enough to handle it (call thick skin or having a safe personal distance to the project or whate ver you want), but other may not. And this is for them that I am standing here. Some are thanksful abd other did not ask me to do so. As Anthony very well said, the fact that some feel threatened, about aggressiveness or other bad behavior is already bad enough. Let stop hiding our face into the sand and paint a perfect world, it is not. For those still in doubts, ask users why they don't post to the list. Why they don't contribute. Our reputation of agressivity (and I take the blame on that too) did not do us any good and still do not. Thanks, Pierre --001a113e55a6398f4d0528d5b8a2--