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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:38:54 -0600
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: keith@caseysoftware.com (D Keith Casey)

On 1/7/16 11:52 PM, Larry Garfield wrote:
> On 01/07/2016 10:08 PM, Brian Moon wrote:
>>> Why not? The harassment has been nullified.
>> I agree with your position on most of this, Paul. However, free email,
>> and thus, Twitter and other social media accounts are nearly
>> unlimited. It becomes an arms race to try and block someone.
>>
>> Brian.
>
> Simply cutting off contact (either by the receiver of harassment or
> otherwise) isn't the entire goal.  There are least 2 others:
>
> 1) Harassment does not need to be direct.  If I were to start tweeting
> up a hostile, insulting storm about someone else on this list, by name
> and talking about PHP Internals business, but not tweeting @ that
> person, them blocking me isn't going to accomplish anything.  The harm
> isn't that they are seeing the message necessarily, it's that everyone
> else I know is seeing it, many of whom that person may not even know.
> That's still an attack on a person's reputation, and damaging to the
> person.

Good scenario but we don't have to be hypothetical. Let's apply it to 
the real world of this week:


Throughout this discussion, Paul Jones has been active and - despite 
vocally attacking the proposal - I have yet to see him attack anyone in 
general.

And then Phil Sturgeon else used a sexualized term to insult Paul to his 
~16k followers but didn't name him:  https://archive.is/oeekT

While Phil claims this is not sexualized, Urban Dictionary disagrees but 
then he follows it up with a claim that he doesn't represent the project 
anyway: https://archive.is/TA2YP

According to the definition including attending conferences that use the 
PHP logo and active in PHP channels, he does.

And then Phil follows it up with another more potentially damaging 
attack - again, without naming Paul - https://archive.is/Z3zNy

And finally, it turns out it's all Phil is blocking Paul anyway - 
https://archive.is/6iZQY - so Paul wouldn't even have see the attacks to 
defend himself or report to the PHP Code of Conduct group.

So my questions:
-  In his day to day interactions, would Phil be considered a 
representative of the PHP team?
-  If not, why not?
-  If so, do his personal attacks using sexualized terms constitute a 
breach of the Code of Conduct?
-  If not, why not?
-  If so, what would the consequences be for Phil?

Thanks,
keith