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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: kevin@gohearsay.com (Kevin Smith)

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> On Jan 8, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Anthony Ferrara <ircmaxell@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Simply look at the level of attacks that me and a few other committers
> have received by making this proposal. I don't feel comfortable making
> any of those attacks public (drawing more attention to them).

Disclaimer: While I=E2=80=99ve followed this entire email thread, I=E2=80=99=
m sure I=E2=80=99ve missed stuff that=E2=80=99s going on outside it. I =
was genuinely going to ask which attacks you=E2=80=99re referring to =
until I got to that last sentence. It=E2=80=99s fair if you don=E2=80=99t =
want to share, but your argument was for us to simply look at the =
attacks you=E2=80=99ve received.

If you=E2=80=99re referring to anything in this email thread (which =
again, that=E2=80=99s all I can draw from), I=E2=80=99d worry about =
creating a body with powers to punish attackers since we clearly don=E2=80=
=99t agree on what constitutes an attack. This discussion has been =
contentious, sure, but it=E2=80=99s concerning a very serious topic that =
would have far-reaching effects. I wouldn=E2=80=99t argue that anything =
we=E2=80=99ve seen coming from any perspective rises to the level of an =
attack though.

Again, I=E2=80=99m happy to claim ignorance here because you may be =
referring to things that have gone on outside this thread. But since you =
don=E2=80=99t feel comfortable pointing to those attacks specifically, =
we=E2=80=99ve sort of reached an impasse.

> If you look at this 225+ reply thread, the vast
> majority of karma holding people have not responded (even many who
> frequent this list). A few (5+) of them have reached out to me
> personally to say that they are explicitly staying out of this
> discussion because of the level of aggression and tone, but would be
> willing to support a reasonable proposal (some provided meaningful
> feedback on it, some support the current revision).
>=20
> Think about that. People who are long standing members of this
> community and project do not feel that they can safely respond to this
> very thread. Think of the irony there.

For what it=E2=80=99s worth, I=E2=80=99ve had 2 people reach out to me =
privately to say they=E2=80=99re really uncomfortable with this proposal =
but don=E2=80=99t want to get involved because they're worried about =
being labeled =E2=80=9Ctoxic=E2=80=9D, and I=E2=80=99m a brand-new =
contributor. A real nobody.


Kevin Smith
Hearsay Interactive <http://gohearsay.com/>=

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