Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90321 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 26073 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2016 20:43:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jan 2016 20:43:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.47 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.47 mail-pa0-f47.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.47] ([209.85.220.47:32804] helo=mail-pa0-f47.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 14/F2-21405-628CE865 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 15:18:46 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id cy9so266798962pac.0 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G+lPql+Xv4GCx7NEAOoAcF7XBLIHHaaU4ALKb95Tc/Q=; b=tWpZVs2c6PajzXEpePC5XWgStSf36w69WvpDfrxjgqGywKf1QdCajsXyGNUKe+ry6K Ah6qtY+gkDiNunEmqmipA+F2hj6TnUcLNZ4NxJq+UKeg0nJGrzRXG2WPuNRSZOkcRoje +YAfM7WXtUK2oilI9lmLQiwPyfaGfObTB+Xs4IOLHS3xM3RmBOzrxe/En85sL4lRbNEW v5XrBjjNQiWXw3XJ7mwO8l9TTQR5YwtrOOkRYujXVKgxwqG+E0jN731ZKIrWAQnW2zdq D80Rf8QTTPSS6v+JgWc2R42AMrgX5Ou2uYPy7sP9jX6J5oYDPSjzgSIwajk/u3BjydL0 Qeyg== X-Received: by 10.66.157.164 with SMTP id wn4mr21064180pab.7.1452197923166; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Air.local ([12.97.215.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id sy5sm161430190pac.5.2016.01.07.12.18.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:18:42 -0800 (PST) To: Dan Ackroyd , Kevin Smith References: <6D.39.21755.3576D865@pb1.pair.com> <1AD1B991-A3E5-4D6C-A532-5F0FCCC2ED61@gmail.com> <568D7C5D.9020405@php.net> <1e6a13607a3a1c8b20a4649f8a5ef767@mail.gmail.com> <3AB5AA82-4F17-40C3-B8B5-33697A8DBEC2@gmail.com> Cc: PHP internals X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <568EC81F.7050400@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:18:39 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > You're missing the basic point. If someone makes a complaint with a > complaints process that handles everything in the open, i.e. with your > suggestion of the standard RFC process: What you say is true. However, as I previously said, the alternative is taking action on behalf of the community by the tiny part of the community without the community even being aware why the action is taken. I don't think this is a good idea. We can develop processes that decrease the risk of retaliation - starting the process with private moderation IMO is a good way to do this - but if we want community-wide action, I do not see how it can be done while preserving both secrecy and informed due process. > * if the outcome is a majority of people think it is a legititmate > complaint, then they are still going to get a load of crap from i) the > minority of people who think that any restriction of freedom of speech > is a commie plot ii) the revenge brigade who go round and harass > people I don't think we have such bridages in our project spaces. And outside project spaces, we can do precisely nothing about them except wagging a finger at them. We can not solve all problems existing on the internet by having CoC - we can only (hope to) make our spaces free of the bad stuff. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com