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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 20:31:12 +0000
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To: "Paul M. Jones" <pmjones88@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd)

On 7 January 2016 at 20:12, Paul M. Jones <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  If the activity in question rises to the level of filing a petition for =
*and being granted* a restraining order, *then and only then* might the pro=
ject have some responsibility to help enforce that order, since the project=
 itself may become subject to a lawsuit or other legal actions.  (I am sati=
sfied to read "employee" as "contributor/participant" and "employer" as "th=
e project" in this case.)
>
> But anything less? No, the project's responsibility is only to enforce it=
s policies on its own communication channels.

So you're saying, any harassment that failed to meet a criminal
criteria, wouldn't be acted upon.

Any harassment where the person being harassed decides to just leave
the project rather than seek a court order, wouldn't be acted upon.

Fun-fact*, if I went round to someone's house, took some photos of it,
maybe took some pictures of their family as well, and then sent them
those pictures with the message "Hey, are you going to fix that bug
that's important to me, or shall I come round to your house to discuss
it in person?", none of that would reach a criminal matter, and so
there would be nothing the PHP project could do about it.

Don't get me wrong, that behaviour would be creepy as heck - but not
anything the police or a court could do anything about.

And you're suggesting that this is an acceptable situation. I think
I'm done listening to you.

cheers
Dan

*actual amounts of fun may vary.