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([2602:306:cecb:ae30:7cfc:fbfa:1163:db7e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c201sm85995081ywb.23.2016.01.07.12.12.30 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:12:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:12:30 -0600 Cc: Anthony Ferrara , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <4594B7A8-D6A0-433A-9EAB-92C421E73EB9@gmail.com> References: <66E04ACF-7363-4E47-BFFD-E380E5B1EA23@gmail.com> <6D.39.21755.3576D865@pb1.pair.com> <1AD1B991-A3E5-4D6C-A532-5F0FCCC2ED61@gmail.com> <568D7C5D.9020405@php.net> <1e6a13607a3a1c8b20a4649f8a5ef767@mail.gmail.com> <3AB5AA82-4F17-40C3-B8B5-33697A8DBEC2@gmail.com> <0AFAA09D-0933-4C8D-91A4-307F9916D3AD@gmail.com> <2328961D-4B28-4EE7-8DDD-AD1F1A0A3617@gmail.com> <87E54FB2-7294-4CED-B969-46B086903E18@gmail.com> To: Pierre Joye X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: pmjones88@gmail.com ("Paul M. Jones") > On Jan 7, 2016, at 13:51, Pierre Joye wrote: >=20 > It is not. To me to distinguish harassment vs hot discussions (public = or private) is part of common sense and I trust us to have this common = sense when this group will be created. I opine that if "common sense" were enough, then no COC would be under = discussion now. We're in a different realm now. > Also the very definition of harassment is pretty clear. Read = http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassment for the = reference. If it is not clear for you then yes, I cannot make it = clearer. Sorry. Now we're getting somewhere. Quoting that definition: """The act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions = of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may = vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force = someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to = collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone = fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if = due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory = limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or = be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll = go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" = (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. = A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker = may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the = worker.""" So, that's both rather vague (the opening sentence) and rather specific = (the latter portions). If the activity in question rises to the level of = filing a petition for *and being granted* a restraining order, *then and = only then* might the project have some responsibility to help enforce = that order, since the project itself may become subject to a lawsuit or = other legal actions. (I am satisfied to read "employee" as = "contributor/participant" and "employer" as "the project" in this case.) But anything less? No, the project's responsibility is only to enforce = its policies on its own communication channels. Do you feel otherwise? --=20 Paul M. Jones pmjones88@gmail.com http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php