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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 02:39:47 +0700
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To: "Paul M. Jones" <pmjones88@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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On Jan 8, 2016 2:27 AM, "Paul M. Jones" <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 13:25, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2016 2:21 AM, "Paul M. Jones" <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jan 7, 2016, at 13:15, Pierre Joye <pierre.php@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Jan 8, 2016 1:58 AM, "Paul M. Jones" <pmjones88@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I notice you did not answer my question. I'll ask again: when you
say "proven guilty" what exactly do you mean?
> > > >
> > > > I see you are going to nitpick here. So let clarify it.
> > >
> > > When we're talking about banning people as a result of their actions,
we'd better be clear on the details, don't you think?
> > >
> > >
> > > > If there is a clear set of evidences that someone harassed,
insulted, attacked another person then it fits this definition.
> > >
> > > What to you would be "a clear set of evidences"?  (If you have
examples of actual occurrences, that would be better than building
hypotheticals, and probably easier.)
> > >
> > >
> > > > Please keep in mind than harassment, attacks or insults have
nothing to do with opinions.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, too many people confuse "argument" with "harassment",
and "disagreement" with "attacks", and "observations" as "insults."  So I'd
like to hear first what "clear evidence" means to you.
> >
> > This is what I mean by nitpicking. I am sure you perfectly understand
my point as well as what I would consider as bad. Just in case, an
opiniated hot discussion is not. I would appreciate a clear answer as well
from your side and little less nitpicking.
>
> To give clear answers, I need clear statements. For example, if a person
*claims* harassment, what to you would be *evidence* of that harassment?
This is not nitpicking; this is defining the terms of the conversation. If
you are unable to clarify, that's cool, just say so.

I think you are playing. That's cool too. I only have no time nor
motivation to play that game. I think I made my opinion and view on this
topic clear. You can't say that you would be ok to keep a person in the
project in such cases, fine. Not surprising but fine.

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