Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90301 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97100 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2016 19:27:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jan 2016 19:27:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pmjones88@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pmjones88@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.174 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pmjones88@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.174 mail-qk0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.174] ([209.85.220.174:36507] helo=mail-qk0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F5/7F-21405-13CBE865 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 14:27:45 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id q19so134958762qke.3 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:27:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=gVY3RiueMYZUVxfOUKP2aY8T+Q0JDy0a7rtBRYK2PzQ=; b=kdYT2a//nOlj/JieAfV/BMv4HjfssPYxJf5XRf9e6E5dfFI/gmTZFPMHD1Zo6dK9aq GgQ7j1VpivKiAPQP+DqOdogfM7zs80lIvgt61t9q80fmkgfUEiuWaoYuUxu7tJQqL4PK ACkTqMiZZViqsCo0sgRPCYVoCKxMv+yAf/VcQxEacKGYKrtM/Eyd26LmEalfvGLhN8AX 2KSJ7KV38qi5V8ogzEx384dh0CNlz2IXzwcMbN4HArEnS01TMd3R9Y2mjPqpWjr/Aopq D0cKSQKuTNzFbzsuZoZeh2XaAdrIK4iEjWIPP5UvKVHuQFz9pAw2YnTdz2jN4ubLtmFe xO3w== X-Received: by 10.13.249.194 with SMTP id j185mr87486439ywf.66.1452194862940; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:27:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:cecb:ae30:7cfc:fbfa:1163:db7e? ([2602:306:cecb:ae30:7cfc:fbfa:1163:db7e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f8sm85827741ywa.12.2016.01.07.11.27.42 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:27:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:27:41 -0600 Cc: Anthony Ferrara , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <87E54FB2-7294-4CED-B969-46B086903E18@gmail.com> References: <66E04ACF-7363-4E47-BFFD-E380E5B1EA23@gmail.com> <6D.39.21755.3576D865@pb1.pair.com> <1AD1B991-A3E5-4D6C-A532-5F0FCCC2ED61@gmail.com> <568D7C5D.9020405@php.net> <1e6a13607a3a1c8b20a4649f8a5ef767@mail.gmail.com> <3AB5AA82-4F17-40C3-B8B5-33697A8DBEC2@gmail.com> <0AFAA09D-0933-4C8D-91A4-307F9916D3AD@gmail.com> <2328961D-4B28-4EE7-8DDD-AD1F1A0A3617@gmail.com> To: Pierre Joye X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: pmjones88@gmail.com ("Paul M. Jones") > On Jan 7, 2016, at 13:25, Pierre Joye wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Jan 8, 2016 2:21 AM, "Paul M. Jones" wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2016, at 13:15, Pierre Joye = wrote: > > > > > > > > >> On Jan 8, 2016 1:58 AM, "Paul M. Jones" = wrote: > > >> > > >> I notice you did not answer my question. I'll ask again: when you = say "proven guilty" what exactly do you mean? > > > > > > I see you are going to nitpick here. So let clarify it. > > > > When we're talking about banning people as a result of their = actions, we'd better be clear on the details, don't you think? > > > > > > > If there is a clear set of evidences that someone harassed, = insulted, attacked another person then it fits this definition. > > > > What to you would be "a clear set of evidences"? (If you have = examples of actual occurrences, that would be better than building = hypotheticals, and probably easier.) > > > > > > > Please keep in mind than harassment, attacks or insults have = nothing to do with opinions. > > > > Unfortunately, too many people confuse "argument" with "harassment", = and "disagreement" with "attacks", and "observations" as "insults." So = I'd like to hear first what "clear evidence" means to you. >=20 > This is what I mean by nitpicking. I am sure you perfectly understand = my point as well as what I would consider as bad. Just in case, an = opiniated hot discussion is not. I would appreciate a clear answer as = well from your side and little less nitpicking. To give clear answers, I need clear statements. For example, if a person = *claims* harassment, what to you would be *evidence* of that harassment? = This is not nitpicking; this is defining the terms of the conversation. = If you are unable to clarify, that's cool, just say so. --=20 Paul M. Jones pmjones88@gmail.com http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php