Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90287 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70198 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2016 17:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jan 2016 17:52:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pmjones88@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pmjones88@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.171 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pmjones88@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.171 mail-yk0-f171.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.171] ([209.85.160.171:33605] helo=mail-yk0-f171.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 46/1A-21405-8E5AE865 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:52:40 -0500 Received: by mail-yk0-f171.google.com with SMTP id k129so315514147yke.0 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:52:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/1mq+MlTvAFQcq/wNhFnEQXVnMfL2V0CXaQqVvunFVQ=; b=SOZexqosuf5i+S4aWH2KbIiKcfY+pmJ5fPEhsBnZrpFBhcSgk1O3aMU5Xb/5dTS6Oz dR8QlHhxARxP4jpLxWJrffDb6k+ftOWR+ZUtQf304MAIUK4VL6mq+aAdhhuZsGppJBce FOQY/chmU/EGza1VX38gr9zng5+2BLK5G1ff1q2ruC+X1r5zlEGvhFCGmqwIqA3xCyO1 PlijR7QI1tS+D4cjmc+5TEpybUUG6a8Dl7AW8cf0CQtXaDpf0xySK851KuE+Bk9vk2Oe uiGQ5X/ZoPklRsTRMclbsUmbVwcwmkmlunVyTfNUwst+JFRs5/R0AOaMCPu+0k4NogFv SifA== X-Received: by 10.13.244.5 with SMTP id d5mr75023279ywf.195.1452189157807; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:cecb:ae30:b555:b53c:1318:6bcb? ([2602:306:cecb:ae30:b555:b53c:1318:6bcb]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r198sm37820834ywg.38.2016.01.07.09.52.36 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:52:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) In-Reply-To: <568EA4F1.9070802@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:52:35 -0600 Cc: Dan Ackroyd , PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <0334BFB5-A3CB-4D19-9562-C4A5F418B6AC@gmail.com> References: <66E04ACF-7363-4E47-BFFD-E380E5B1EA23@gmail.com> <6D.39.21755.3576D865@pb1.pair.com> <1AD1B991-A3E5-4D6C-A532-5F0FCCC2ED61@gmail.com> <568D7C5D.9020405@php.net> <1e6a13607a3a1c8b20a4649f8a5ef767@mail.gmail.com> <3AB5AA82-4F17-40C3-B8B5-33697A8DBEC2@gmail.com> <568E9D01.1020808@gmail.com> <568EA4F1.9070802@gmail.com> To: Stanislav Malyshev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: pmjones88@gmail.com ("Paul M. Jones") > On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:48, Stanislav Malyshev = wrote: >=20 > Given these ratios are in no way unique to this project, and continue = to > hold in projects having CoCs, I think this hypothesis (that it caused = by > something we, as in PHP community, did) is very likely to be false. > More likely, this ratio has to do with factors having nothing to do = with > our community, or us having CoC, and having CoC would have absolutely > zero measurable effect on it. >=20 > On the side note, blindly grasping around on the principle "maybe we = did > something, we don't know what or how, so let's take actions that we > don't know if they would help or not and have zero empirical basis to > evaluate them, but since we can't rigorously prove they wouldn't let's > do it anyway" does not sound like rational strategy to me. Hear, hear. I have seen that approach described elsewhere thusly, on an = economics blog of all places: "We must do something; *this* is = something; therefore, we must do *this*." --=20 Paul M. Jones pmjones88@gmail.com http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php