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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> What it means is the other person can open their PHP-DEV email folder
> and know that there's not going to be any subtle crap from the person
> that is harassing waiting for them when they want to contribute to
> PHP.

I though we were discussing applying CoC *outside* php lists. PHP-DEV
email folder is certainly not something outside, and applying CoC to PHP
projects was not controversial and not the point of the discussion.

On the other hand, it is a documented phenomenon that there are people
going around and filing complaints demanding to remove a person from the
project because that person (in completely unrelated discussion having
nothing to do with the project) voiced an opinion that was contrary to
complainer's beliefs. I don't think we want to invite that here.

> But what we can do is compare the ratio of women vs men who contribute
> to PHP internals, and think that maybe, just maybe, if a project is
> almost solely comprised of one gender, then possibly we've
> accidentally done some stuff that drives 50% of the population away.

Given these ratios are in no way unique to this project, and continue to
hold in projects having CoCs, I think this hypothesis (that it caused by
something we, as in PHP community, did) is very likely to be false.
More likely, this ratio has to do with factors having nothing to do with
our community, or us having CoC, and having CoC would have absolutely
zero measurable effect on it.

On the side note, blindly grasping around on the principle "maybe we did
something, we don't know what or how, so let's take actions that we
don't know if they would help or not and have zero empirical basis to
evaluate them, but since we can't rigorously prove they wouldn't let's
do it anyway" does not sound like rational strategy to me.
-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com