Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90279 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56526 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2016 17:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jan 2016 17:19:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=danack@basereality.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=danack@basereality.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain basereality.com from 209.85.220.174 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: danack@basereality.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.174 mail-qk0-f174.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.174] ([209.85.220.174:33263] helo=mail-qk0-f174.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C8/47-21405-90E9E865 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:19:06 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id p186so107919084qke.0 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:19:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=basereality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=AbzcoUeQ8hShKUMr+Akayz9oESOlQuVSWdrT+szW9bo=; b=BGVQjeOipdvKVJV0MpBAGXCYy+IDGtppM4Zt7JO7zrneTI06eLi059vschMLI6LSp/ 7lLPRnoSKTEjUI9uZVy11hDcNc0TI1wHr6zNDF5Bb23DyivAaQDfJ31o+n7fG2FpClTB PME5rKVxpbCm+FGkwrC8h/QmHG11MMm4v095QJCqY0v/c3QenWcSuh/ltldMN0MJ8Ebb 5ZYBZqGaIG1pigSfQWM6+PgO7qynHlGH3L9g7BSAqmUG2U15MR++HQU2i+EbxetMi2oD eQKS+6smy6w3KeZ31JBG6G5i6JSvcSAw1mGNV8L57ZQl5f2rlR3Y2RZ1Ac7OL/L9G0c4 CuIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AbzcoUeQ8hShKUMr+Akayz9oESOlQuVSWdrT+szW9bo=; b=fJ8CMoGZvF7s8XvKWj8ugfph8olVwNIJFPgS2uooMTpWS1f5G4x2HuoNYiyy6pKven rWfKEl7qWTmexHTqYJbdYe4g9kPvoZ5Cpu3csmIvqkPq968KomeExbbTU0WIA6Xyf3KW S9fpk935kOG2HpKAOXBTZP+SLLISXucVCetgiTdGRrwhERLJtFwBUKFjd9/Ndby5zK3k 1EpR740LPygD5stXYgytKh6qS49af5/V4KMsUJMfSv6wJ09whf2PmLK7zBG1VabYtlCK Y4t90Q7ccYGBh2sg/cRUY4Y8cYpwVBs+N3e4xJvAYJuoJJ8rzOaUlIyOzwi8ClgjPol0 U1GA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQko7/kZlij5CquyD5J16rgU5bsQp4jsEJ5c7Xioznhjypr5ULdltSnK/9aNgcUoYouVMkdRolqQ6Nx1z4GHHSuqh13ICg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.210.66 with SMTP id u63mr78935606ywd.206.1452187142999; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.37.83.131 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 09:19:02 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [2.99.233.57] In-Reply-To: References: <66E04ACF-7363-4E47-BFFD-E380E5B1EA23@gmail.com> <6D.39.21755.3576D865@pb1.pair.com> <1AD1B991-A3E5-4D6C-A532-5F0FCCC2ED61@gmail.com> <568D7C5D.9020405@php.net> <1e6a13607a3a1c8b20a4649f8a5ef767@mail.gmail.com> <3AB5AA82-4F17-40C3-B8B5-33697A8DBEC2@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:19:02 +0000 Message-ID: To: Kevin Smith Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) On 7 January 2016 at 16:50, Kevin Smith wrote: > > Would an RFC to ban that person from official channels not suffice here? > You're missing the basic point. If someone makes a complaint with a complaints process that handles everything in the open, i.e. with your suggestion of the standard RFC process: * if the outcome is most people think they were over-reacting to something, then they are going to get a load of crap from people in the community. * if the outcome is a majority of people think it is a legititmate complaint, then they are still going to get a load of crap from i) the minority of people who think that any restriction of freedom of speech is a commie plot ii) the revenge brigade who go round and harass people i.e. any process that airs all complaint in the open is going to be shit for anyone who makes a complaint regardless of whether it was justified or not. Which just leads to people not making complaints and instead just not being part of the community. cheers Dan