Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90239 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 18334 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2016 21:31:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2016 21:31:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=fsb@thefsb.org; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=fsb@thefsb.org; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain thefsb.org designates 173.203.187.123 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: fsb@thefsb.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 173.203.187.123 smtp123.iad3a.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [173.203.187.123] ([173.203.187.123:51479] helo=smtp123.iad3a.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9C/D1-21755-1A78D865 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:31:13 -0500 Received: from smtp32.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp32.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AC07138060B for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:31:10 -0500 (EST) X-Auth-ID: fsb@thefsb.org Received: by smtp32.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fsb-AT-thefsb.org) with ESMTPSA id 93B5E3805E2 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:31:10 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: fsb@thefsb.org Received: from yossy.local (c-66-30-62-12.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [66.30.62.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:587 (trex/5.5.4); Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:31:10 -0500 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <568C400E.6090404@gmail.com> <568C4BD4.6080101@garfieldtech.com> Message-ID: <568D8781.6090807@thefsb.org> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:30:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <568C4BD4.6080101@garfieldtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: fsb@thefsb.org (Tom Worster) On 1/5/16 6:03 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: > On 1/5/16 4:13 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > >> I had numerous instances in the past where skillful third-party >> mediation allowed resolving differences and pave way for cooperation. >> So having people that can do that and are publicly known address for >> doing this is a good thing to me. If we lose the punitive focus and >> have more "what we want to do and what should happen" and less "what >> should not happen and how badly we'll punish you", it would be much >> better. > > ^^ That thing. +1. (That doesn't mean have no punitive process, but > that should not be the focus.) I agree. And I suspect mediation is the only realistic remedy. Someone can continue to be abusive and cause damage after you've exhausted all the punishments listed in the COC RFC. Beyond being ineffective, these actions could be counterproductive. Imagine someone experiencing the emotional level of a rage-quit or being threatening. The COC Response Team reverts some commits and wiki edits and says: You were warned! I don't think this is a promising way to deescalate and bring people back in the fold. Tom