Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90230 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1576 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2016 20:22:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2016 20:22:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=francois@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=francois@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 212.27.42.2 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: francois@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.27.42.2 smtp2-g21.free.fr Received: from [212.27.42.2] ([212.27.42.2:47658] helo=smtp2-g21.free.fr) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B8/9E-21755-A777D865 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 15:22:19 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.240.16.115]) (Authenticated sender: flaupretre@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0E8C4B0028; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:21:13 +0100 (CET) To: Sara Golemon References: <568C9ED7.30504@gmail.com> <568D4220.3050309@php.net> Cc: Anthony Ferrara , Stanislav Malyshev , "internals@lists.php.net" Message-ID: <568D776B.9090701@php.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:22:03 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160106-0, 06/01/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: francois@php.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Fran=c3=a7ois_Laupretre?=) Le 06/01/2016 19:56, Sara Golemon a écrit : > > First, I didn't accuse you of anything. My response to your private > email, was a private email back saying "hey, I don't know why you're > so angry and name-cally, but go ahead and move forward with your > version. I just didn't want it to get left on the floor as someone > else's problem". So your claim that, had a response team been in > place, you'd have been summarily sanctioned by a cadre of social > justice warriors is false from the first word, because no complaint > would have been filed. That's just an example and the way it *could* have evolved. I'm just exploring past cases to detect negative side effects. > > Second, you seem very confident that having posted your email > publicly, you've been exonerated by the list (as well you should be, > because it was a non-issue to begin with). Why are you so convinced > that the four out of five people who managed to get a 2/3rd majority > vote of confidence to be on this response team would not be as > reasonable as the public at large? Nobody is suggesting that they be > hand-picked for their shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more, and > maybe if anyone is still alive ask a question or two, guilty until > proven innocent bias. So that claim is false as well. > > Third, purely for the sake of argument, let's say I *had* made some > formal complaint. That accusation would have been confined to the > response team, you, and I. Ask yourself if you prefer a small > audience for an easily defensible accusation, or a large one. I would > prefer a small audience. Well, you may be right. I'm not sure about this, especially in the course of a heated debate. It all depends of the people we choose. That's why I think they should have a role of mediators only. Regards François