Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90223 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 89319 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2016 19:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Jan 2016 19:42:34 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.45 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.45 mail-pa0-f45.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.45] ([209.85.220.45:33018] helo=mail-pa0-f45.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F6/2C-21755-A2E6D865 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 14:42:34 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id cy9so238530745pac.0 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:42:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=X5iY1fOoN8UnVxrRsnrWBKoKphWwBWcss6ZZjpVVekE=; b=lMsgRg803jZD26mWMhVxPYODHW3e2x78zuDn+fvtDe7PScsmIcEyG+OrJKGKWX6/kW nUuS2oW0UzSdqtL2jfFUjZXAtmpWlLl+HUOYCVux1yaSRbs14OsBftWIeiek76s0bh+I FyTgx5YJUusEBk3Hwp699eqfYhnmRYVhdFQsIVCpfkuHPe0yTWlSy5uYfcRH96/qfH6J RVkja9yL48UM1c3Lue7SJnb9u9b/FVU2i+yxuUAr9WwVwvcUnGYB/SMtjjw14tj544kf kX6nm/4QfLnAUff9fVnZ2DER6fWw0MhYzT93TDoRWZkgIw7RUQb0Bofp/1oDnL44R3M1 FQGw== X-Received: by 10.67.24.104 with SMTP id ih8mr144459890pad.124.1452109351549; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:556:9f3:56bd:73da? ([2602:304:cdc2:e5f0:556:9f3:56bd:73da]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g68sm100277791pfd.55.2016.01.06.11.42.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 06 Jan 2016 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) To: Andrea Faulds , internals@lists.php.net References: <66E04ACF-7363-4E47-BFFD-E380E5B1EA23@gmail.com> <6D.39.21755.3576D865@pb1.pair.com> X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <568D6E25.8010108@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 11:42:29 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6D.39.21755.3576D865@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > Also, I think it's worth bearing in mind that unintentional offence > which is not persistent is unlikely to fall under this rule. Consider > that this is roughly the standard that actual law follows, e.g. Section > 4A of the Public Order Act 1986 in the UK: > >> (1) A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a >> person harassment, alarm or distress, he— >> (a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or >> disorderly behaviour, or >> (b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which >> is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or >> another person harassment, alarm or distress. I love it how The Law spends so much text and yet leaves so much unspecified and open to interpretation. Basically it says "offense is being threatening, abusive or insulting". But what is "abusive"? What is "insulting"? Even "threatening" is unclear - is "if you do this, you'll regret it very soon" a threat or mere prediction of the unintended consequences? "Causing another person distress" is unbelievably open to abuse - I can say STH RFC caused me much distress, so would somebody publishing it be harasser now? It's basically "if I disagree with you a lot, you are guilty" kind of clause. > The key part of that is "intent". I do note that it doesn't include the The problem with "intent" that knowing it for sure is requires telepathy and time travel to work, and both are still very much TBD ;) -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com