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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: pthreads@pthreads.org (Joe Watkins)

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Morning internalz,

    I'm going to keep it simple, because I'm sure everybody is getting a
bit bored ...

    I object to the idea that we should try to limit "offence" ... it's not
quantifiable, and it doesn't matter whatever, I'm offended by all sorts of
things ... so what ...

    I can see nothing that is disagreeable in the idea other than this.

    If this sentence were changed:

    >  Project maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove,
edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other
contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct,
    >  or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other
behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful.

   To

    > Project maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove,
edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues and other
contributions, as well as imposing temporary or permanent bans on any
contributor that
    > persistently violates our code of conduct.

   And, the final code of conduct were more detailed about unacceptable
behaviour, rather than trying to use blanket terms like "inappropriate" or
"offensive", then I'd be happy to +1 it ... I will not +1 it while it tries
to limit offence, because that's silly, or uses blanket terms that make it
unenforceable.

   So that's me, +1 on the idea, not so much on the text for the code of
conduct ...

Cheers
Joe


On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:30 PM, Paul M. Jones <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On Jan 5, 2016, at 16:21, Nate Abele <nate.abele@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rowan,
> >
> > I don=E2=80=99t presume to speak for Paul, but I don=E2=80=99t think th=
e point is that
> any particular person involved in this discussion is presumed to have a
> political intent, rather that CoCs themselves (the Contributor Covenant i=
n
> particular), and the people typically agitating for them, come from a pla=
ce
> of hyper-politicization.
>
> Yes, that is an accurate summary of my position.
>
>
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