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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:20:49 -0500
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To: Rowan Collins <rowan.collins@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: ircmaxell@gmail.com (Anthony Ferrara)

Rowan,

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Rowan Collins <rowan.collins@gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul M. Jones wrote on 05/01/2016 16:03:
>>
>> It's a*political*  action designed with a*political*  intent
>
>
> Please stop assuming that everybody has a hidden agenda at odds with their
> public statements, and claiming that you somehow know that the negative
> possibilities of this policy are deliberately in service of its secret aim,
> rather than unintended consequences of its stated aim.
>
> If you dislike the details of this proposal, that is fine, and you can
> explain what you don't like about it, and what you would prefer instead -
> e.g. a "be nice" policy without explicit teeth, or total anarchy and the
> right to insult, threaten, and bully whoever you choose because you honestly
> believe that "free speech" trumps all other moral and pragmatic
> considerations.
>
> Bear in mind you will be expected to defend that position, and that people
> have the right to disagree with you, and attempt to find common ground and
> compromises. That's how conversations work.
>
> If all you're doing is trolling the group because you think being rude on a
> thread about good conduct is funny, please go do it on 4chan or reddit or
> something.

Paul isn't trolling. He is simply passionate about it. While I do
believe he can be more constructive with how he interacts in this
specific thread, he definitely isn't trolling (trying to cause drama
for drama's sake). We should be careful about that term and use it
appropriately.

Anthony