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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> It's interesting to note how few people in this thread consider the
> perspective of potential harassed or abused people - instead only
> focusing on how to protect the accused.

We do not discuss it much because it is a) covered in the RFC thus
forming context of the discussion and b) most of it is non-controversial
- we know hurting people is bad, we should not do it, and we should not
accept such behavior in our community. It is *how* we achieve that which
is the question for discussion.

> Quick check: how many times in the history of PHP has someone been
> called out, wrongly, for being abusive or harassing others? If, as seems

There was some amount of "meta" discussions, in which all kinds of
complaints and counter-complaints were voiced, many times. But since we
have no formal mechanism for "accusing" or for determining "wrong", we
can't really know how many of such cases there were.

> to the argument ("we're such a great and tolerant community, we don't
> need this"), this hasn't happened - what's with the paranoia behind
> assuming it will suddenly happen constantly and that people will be
> banned left and right for no reason?

Because unfortunately we have witnessed, in other communities, how
applying such things too hastily and without due consideration can cause
damage. While abuse is undeniably damaging, doing more damage, this time
by ourselves, is not the right way to fix it.

> voting is allowed. Even in the most clearcut case where someone is being
> a complete asshole, you're then either allowing them to continue the
> harassment or ignoring your own point. It's hard to see how either
> option benefits PHP, let alone the abused person.

In most clearcut case where somebody is obviously misbehaving, we have
plenty of people that can revert commits or remove people from ML. That
happened in the past. We do not need a special troika for that.
-- 
Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com