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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:48:11 -0800
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecation of the Error Control Operator (@ symbol)
From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon)

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:57 AM, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
>> From: Derick Rethans [mailto:derick@php.net]
>> That's going to mean an INI setting.. that hosters could abuse.
>> Having an INI setting like this as part of core is IMO not a great idea.
>
I honestly don't understand why that's a bad idea.  There are a LOT of
settings that hosters could abuse, but as a general rule they don't,
because it breaks client apps and clients leave.

A hoster could just as easily install XDebug and turn that setting on.
Are they doing that?

Or are you, Derick Rethans, suggesting that installing XDebug is a bad idea? ;)

> I agree.  Perhaps through a declare() statement instead?  We could easily
> make it file-based, so that the declare() statement only affects the local
> file, or we could make it global for the entire request.
>
Eh, feels very tomato-tomato to me.  Trading in a line in
php.ini/.htaccess/index.php for a line in index.php.  Ultimately I'm
the wrong person to defend this since I don't personally have a need
for it, I was just trying to offer compromises.

For context, I do believe the person suggesting it was thinking in
terms of "Finding that fatal error that's been supressed."

-Sara