Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90107 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14936 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 16:13:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 16:13:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:46258] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 84/E6-12097-C9BEB865 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:13:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6543FE20F0; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:13:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:13:13 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: derick@whisky.home.derickrethans.nl To: =?UTF-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Laupretre?= cc: Peter Lind , Zeev Suraski , Adam Harvey , smalyshev@gmail.com, PHP internals In-Reply-To: <568BE845.2090102@php.net> Message-ID: References: <568AE803.1080209@gmail.com> <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> <568B1041.1060601@gmail.com> <568B1DA8.3060908@gmail.com> <568BD0CA.7040909@php.net> <568BE845.2090102@php.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="8323329-1707158373-1452010393=:4541" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) --8323329-1707158373-1452010393=:4541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 5 Jan 2016, Fran=C3=A7ois Laupretre wrote: > Le 05/01/2016 15:31, Peter Lind a =C3=A9crit : > > > A quick question: suppose you're from a minority group, and you've been= the > > target of abuse previously your life. You now join the PHP community an= d for > > whatever reason, someone takes a dislike to you and starts harassing yo= u in > > private. The abuse makes use of the same stuff you've been through befo= re, > > and because this is a real douchebag, some very humiliating things are > > thrown in for good measure. How exactly would you feel about having all= of > > this made explicit to all the other PHP devs? Presumably you look up to= some > > of these people - would your first thought be "Oh I know! I'll post all= this > > nasty stuff to a public mailing list, that is archived on the web where > > EVERYONE can see all the humiliation coming my way - and where google i= s > > sure to pick up all these things about me!"? If you happen to belong to= a > > minority group that often is at the receiving end of abuse, what would = you > > think if this was the message being sent? Would you expect to be unders= tood > > by your peers, or would their concern about being possibly accused of > > something seem like an out-of-hand rejection? Regards Peter=20 >=20 > You're probably right but that all sounds too 'american' to me. These > questions of 'minority group' refer to a multi-cultural situation that is > totally foreign to my culture. But I understand it may be an important co= ncern > for others. It doesn't even have to be a minority group: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DV4UWxlVvT1A > Anyway, I don't say that it cannot happen, I just say that, AFAIK, we=20 > never got such concerns in the PHP community. Sorry - not true. I can name several issues from various PHP related=20 conferences. Although not directly under the "control" of the PHP=20 developers team (and hence not influenced by a proposed CoC), they're=20 certainly part of the community. cheers, Derick --8323329-1707158373-1452010393=:4541--