Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90103 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7020 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 15:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 15:59:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=francois@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=francois@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 212.27.42.2 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: francois@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.27.42.2 smtp2-g21.free.fr Received: from [212.27.42.2] ([212.27.42.2:56328] helo=smtp2-g21.free.fr) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 21/35-12097-658EB865 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 10:59:20 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.240.16.115]) (Authenticated sender: flaupretre@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D8634B01C9; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:58:14 +0100 (CET) To: Peter Lind References: <568AE803.1080209@gmail.com> <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> <568B1041.1060601@gmail.com> <568B1DA8.3060908@gmail.com> <568BD0CA.7040909@php.net> Cc: Zeev Suraski , Adam Harvey , smalyshev@gmail.com, PHP internals Message-ID: <568BE845.2090102@php.net> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:59:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160105-0, 05/01/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: francois@php.net (=?UTF-8?Q?Fran=c3=a7ois_Laupretre?=) Le 05/01/2016 15:31, Peter Lind a écrit : > A quick question: suppose you're from a minority group, and you've > been the target of abuse previously your life. You now join the PHP > community and for whatever reason, someone takes a dislike to you and > starts harassing you in private. The abuse makes use of the same stuff > you've been through before, and because this is a real douchebag, some > very humiliating things are thrown in for good measure. How exactly > would you feel about having all of this made explicit to all the other > PHP devs? Presumably you look up to some of these people - would your > first thought be "Oh I know! I'll post all this nasty stuff to a > public mailing list, that is archived on the web where EVERYONE can > see all the humiliation coming my way - and where google is sure to > pick up all these things about me!"? If you happen to belong to a > minority group that often is at the receiving end of abuse, what would > you think if this was the message being sent? Would you expect to be > understood by your peers, or would their concern about being possibly > accused of something seem like an out-of-hand rejection? Regards Peter You're probably right but that all sounds too 'american' to me. These questions of 'minority group' refer to a multi-cultural situation that is totally foreign to my culture. But I understand it may be an important concern for others. Anyway, I don't say that it cannot happen, I just say that, AFAIK, we never got such concerns in the PHP community. So, maybe we should go the 'politically-correct' way but I'm afraid that's just a waste of time or, as Stas said, a solution for no problem. Regards François