Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90102 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6780 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 15:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 15:59:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.50 mail-pa0-f50.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.50] ([209.85.220.50:34687] helo=mail-pa0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7B/25-12097-E48EB865 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 10:59:10 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id uo6so197855894pac.1 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 07:59:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rvuNd5L9ZzktlKmLbgwGS0DLNHlwtsnxEu2zTpl+CGs=; b=wgqPzH8jOm7b80M6Srf8CarFION7haTq2NiCY9QBiUg+1WFI715zQia9NSqXhtUlZS ic8VIQCHffgPOy9NCBcRCIWeU51N+NiW7tXspz0N9faLUohwfLlKtQ9RmGaQkhwFrZ8Y 0Jliyylk3/RJviBul7Fa1+u6evTMjUUjJwxdZxOdhdP5ZmOwaA/R9/6GEl//WAdJMk3z ZXKZDV6B1N/TX3ORaYwDgrL5yxqhfb7CkHY0eLUmaBpnRj+Fvyfji1xiJDzmYXQfDp/S uws9Xck/QMIGnp8CjxlOdxaZhqZZRfOih0C2YmSbcReeLt0DNGX8v6PWYKgGuWUK3gg3 it6w== X-Received: by 10.66.164.70 with SMTP id yo6mr135373498pab.36.1452009546592; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 07:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from stas-air.router ([166.170.36.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k77sm47297838pfb.37.2016.01.05.07.59.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jan 2016 07:59:05 -0800 (PST) To: Peter Lind References: <568AE803.1080209@gmail.com> <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> <568B1041.1060601@gmail.com> <568B1DA8.3060908@gmail.com> <568BD0CA.7040909@php.net> Cc: PHP internals X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <568BE848.2080405@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:59:04 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > How exactly would you feel about having all of this made explicit to all > the other PHP devs? Presumably you look up to some of these people - I presume you would feel bad. However your example is purely theoretical and hand-crafted to exactly fit your argument. It is easy to imagine theoretical example that found fit practically any argument - including one that nobody should have any due process at all, since proving any allegations just hurts the victim again (and you can imagine unbelievably hurtful circumstances for your theoretical case, since the only limit is your imagination), so any allegation should be considered true by mere fact of alleging. I hope that would be going too far for you? In practice, there's rarely an allegation that can not be published to the measure that makes it clear what happened. That does not mean "verbatim" - in some cases, like publishing private information, reproducing it verbatim as a proof would be obviously counterproductive, but there are also obvious way to describe it without reproducing verbatim, such as "publishing private information". > If you happen to belong to a minority group that often is at the > receiving end of abuse, what would you think if this was the message > being sent? Would you expect to be understood by your peers, or would I think the message that is being sent is that everybody will be treated equally and fairly. If somebody has done something bad, it would be known and the solution would be found, if nothing bad happened, people can be reasonably assured that they are safe from false accusations. That applies to majorities, minorities, mediocrities and any other groups, however one would like to label oneself that particular day. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com