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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:18:48 -0700
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To: Peter Lind <peter.e.lind@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: derokorian@gmail.com (Ryan Pallas)

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On Jan 5, 2016 7:32 AM, "Peter Lind" <peter.e.lind@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > +1. The proposed CoC is too vague for a multi-cultural environment like
> > ours. Reference to ethics, for example, is subjective by nature. But
I'm OK
> > for a more precise text that everybody must explicitely approve before
> > getting any karma.
> >
> > But I am opposed to any form of law enforcement board. I understand it
> > ensures privacy but my feeling is that we don't need privacy here, and
we
> > never needed such a mechanism during 20 years. Most questionable
messages
> > are published on the mailing list. If someone receives an offending
private
> > mail or is victim of harassment in any other way, he can just publish
it on
> > the list and everyone will judge if it is offending or not. Then, if we
> > need to consider banning someone, anybody can create a specific RFC for
> > this, but it is an extreme case that, fortunately, has a very low
> > probability..
> >
>
> A quick question: suppose you're from a minority group, and you've been
the
> target of abuse previously your life. You now join the PHP community and
> for whatever reason, someone takes a dislike to you and starts harassing
> you in private. The abuse makes use of the same stuff you've been through
> before, and because this is a real douchebag, some very humiliating things
> are thrown in for good measure.
>
> How exactly would you feel about having all of this made explicit to all
> the other PHP devs? Presumably you look up to some of these people - would
> your first thought be "Oh I know! I'll post all this nasty stuff to a
> public mailing list, that is archived on the web where EVERYONE can see
all
> the humiliation coming my way - and where google is sure to pick up all
> these things about me!"?
>
> If you happen to belong to a minority group that often is at the receiving
> end of abuse, what would you think if this was the message being sent?
> Would you expect to be understood by your peers, or would their concern
> about being possibly accused of something seem like an out-of-hand
> rejection?
>
> Regards
> Peter
>
I completely agree with Peter on this one. If my only source for recompense
is to post publicly, I'm far more likely to leave the community than post
anything I find harassing publicly.
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