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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct
From: peter.e.lind@gmail.com (Peter Lind)

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>
> +1. The proposed CoC is too vague for a multi-cultural environment like
> ours. Reference to ethics, for example, is subjective by nature. But I'm OK
> for a more precise text that everybody must explicitely approve before
> getting any karma.
>
> But I am opposed to any form of law enforcement board. I understand it
> ensures privacy but my feeling is that we don't need privacy here, and we
> never needed such a mechanism during 20 years. Most questionable messages
> are published on the mailing list. If someone receives an offending private
> mail or is victim of harassment in any other way, he can just publish it on
> the list and everyone will judge if it is offending or not. Then, if we
> need to consider banning someone, anybody can create a specific RFC for
> this, but it is an extreme case that, fortunately, has a very low
> probability..
>

A quick question: suppose you're from a minority group, and you've been the
target of abuse previously your life. You now join the PHP community and
for whatever reason, someone takes a dislike to you and starts harassing
you in private. The abuse makes use of the same stuff you've been through
before, and because this is a real douchebag, some very humiliating things
are thrown in for good measure.

How exactly would you feel about having all of this made explicit to all
the other PHP devs? Presumably you look up to some of these people - would
your first thought be "Oh I know! I'll post all this nasty stuff to a
public mailing list, that is archived on the web where EVERYONE can see all
the humiliation coming my way - and where google is sure to pick up all
these things about me!"?

If you happen to belong to a minority group that often is at the receiving
end of abuse, what would you think if this was the message being sent?
Would you expect to be understood by your peers, or would their concern
about being possibly accused of something seem like an out-of-hand
rejection?

Regards
Peter

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