Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90084 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60453 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 11:13:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 11:13:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.213.43 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.43 mail-vk0-f43.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.43] ([209.85.213.43:32972] helo=mail-vk0-f43.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5A/6B-24214-665AB865 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 06:13:42 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f43.google.com with SMTP id a188so265550473vkc.0 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 03:13:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zend-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:thread-index:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=AqKAeHP/djanKmh+qVTin/ljZNDO8D9sU73YbmR4THs=; b=Cwy+dKjq8oN2UJFTuewJ9Ua6JsEALB/Cb9xO747FzqnaNje9744pT35IkTl579EHl7 lYlMMERTq9jU/OE0JdEN8FihjlMtQmu09gsJiNQyEZE+bHqLXkFuilGgfSA00FinGbkB Wl7+Ed3VUbaSGdU3iq6xrllBb9PQYPj2iGjdKJksTyXMIQG0omo6UpugPS3sXVLhYRO6 wkQe86GY8Anl10i9uN0qZAEZRT9cLW8ZDdpvxXltlLfqEHdJIz6MU8HHnRSQtSPFL6Fo QB7sJ+j5DgFqSSL6lavI9m5xapHeCoLiIOMdTC9gna20w15LBDvUyjnl5DRFwjOyYK0D u8Pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=AqKAeHP/djanKmh+qVTin/ljZNDO8D9sU73YbmR4THs=; b=gRCVJnfrMB35Ej2aZYyeCDaLlafOnVTh0aMVo5ceSLK5y3Wvjw+wJ33lwfRkfHOVKH I1xeqBSxz7QSlOFrw7e4fqb5fugkZqX3u9L2oKa5x0mUcnfl8hDlKw8OLfF5vvDP+fMP KW1Eg5pjjU2eijCbbyJgmuHO0VQTdFrjni7ibJgQa2pftSQZjWKQDJLuF4EGJKqyGTGy +qvOhgSW698FIL6FJhdNv1TwH9pySV7Gkxw/uG6Vnuqvd291QnaIbN5diUkCIRPuhv6k sCCAX2VLLym8R3v+L2gzsYWMkRumYoRRwoXl7Yr55bZ04/KYinExmoTNCZ7XCtFvuKtB febQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl1xcNwwTug3TtAyJirMcY4v8VAb7KEorERD/UtvEvy/axPZN299boqg8B3kBWpJXL34HaJ+m0kUGDoOcmNZV3nqACApRJTA3WSMhd+wjj1R5na7shnwUNXdOJpU21AQ7cR9++vU3T02xVKLq9GkrgFTtZWgAdHweF0JvBzvBYjxJOqcNnM/yOzOUAEWUdwQEQP0udG9t0eBqVynnVkUjN+Pu73MA== X-Received: by 10.31.158.18 with SMTP id h18mr58599045vke.65.1451992419140; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 03:13:39 -0800 (PST) References: <568599AA.4090209@gmail.com> <568B5470.70902@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: <568B5470.70902@lerdorf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQMJBqo1qnQD/nq+9hU9B/h7PCSF7AKYEIxjAdmOkKkB97s6kJxJ+/TQ Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:13:38 +0200 Message-ID: To: Rasmus Lerdorf , Sara Golemon , smalyshev@gmail.com Cc: Junade Ali , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Deprecation of the Error Control Operator (@ symbol) From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > -----Original Message----- > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:rasmus@lerdorf.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 7:28 AM > To: Sara Golemon; Stanislav Malyshev > Cc: Junade Ali; PHP internals > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecation of the Error Control Operator (@ > symbol) > > On 01/04/2016 07:22 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Stanislav Malyshev > wrote: > >> I don't think it is a good idea, currently, for the following reasons: > >> > > [::snip::] > > > > It terrifies me to say this, but I completely agree with Stas. ;) > > > > I can't personally remember the last time I used @ in any production > > code, but my one-offs are replete with them. It's a quintessentially > > PHP feature in its pragmatism. > > > > Okay, I'll put the thesaurus down. > > I'd be quite sad to see @ disappear as well. It was one of PHP's earliest > features and its roots date back to mid-80's DOS batch files (before 1/3 > of > this list were born I would guess) Same here. Zeev