Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90079 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 49659 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 10:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 10:10:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=peter.e.lind@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=peter.e.lind@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: peter.e.lind@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.41 mail-wm0-f41.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.41] ([74.125.82.41:37256] helo=mail-wm0-f41.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FF/99-24214-0B69B865 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 05:10:56 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f206so21264969wmf.0 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 02:10:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=TW3Yvwj9FC1EVg89KweTeuMtnqN183UMLpTr6Dk1ir8=; b=azZ3kCndEu3JR98ky21wEv3O35DMHmLz15dTAmcsH1d0pYEdrj4+g6BkzxdQOTxXVH kBNT4V49ti1X3Kgz9jjDnVRtaHs4hqRWhTtcLX34KXCpL484/0/MnU/nlk0CreCV8re8 HTMpJ7F/CT0zhI6Qy9EoakSK2ZUSdApXDznX7PWEz0vOdoZphL0otTn+Jav9BDYhtOAT H142iHtsseRT3tBLW6rhwOiy5TcoQiKyNvF0ysm/yzVxyQOKgMp+k/UWj/vCdk9hdSCN 1NJvbbqqv9Qq/lD3IPX2sDl2CwDHzmKnGp9F1o1AjnpRdO91qaH2kG2zIm/nCK+UEYWN 9O8A== X-Received: by 10.28.145.204 with SMTP id t195mr3248967wmd.91.1451988652828; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 02:10:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.21.78 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 02:10:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <568AE803.1080209@gmail.com> <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> <568B1041.1060601@gmail.com> <568B1DA8.3060908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:10:33 +0100 Message-ID: To: Zeev Suraski Cc: Adam Harvey , smalyshev@gmail.com, PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1145ab58deb00105289373b9 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: peter.e.lind@gmail.com (Peter Lind) --001a1145ab58deb00105289373b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It's interesting to note how few people in this thread consider the perspective of potential harassed or abused people - instead only focusing on how to protect the accused. Quick check: how many times in the history of PHP has someone been called out, wrongly, for being abusive or harassing others? If, as seems to the argument ("we're such a great and tolerant community, we don't need this"), this hasn't happened - what's with the paranoia behind assuming it will suddenly happen constantly and that people will be banned left and right for no reason? Also, it was my understanding that RFCs need a "cool-down" period before voting is allowed. Even in the most clearcut case where someone is being a complete asshole, you're then either allowing them to continue the harassment or ignoring your own point. It's hard to see how either option benefits PHP, let alone the abused person. Regards Peter -- WWW: plphp.dk / plind.dk CV: careers.stackoverflow.com/peterlind LinkedIn: plind Twitter: kafe15 --001a1145ab58deb00105289373b9--