Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90068 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16966 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 05:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 05:28:23 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com designates 209.85.220.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.50 mail-pa0-f50.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.50] ([209.85.220.50:34857] helo=mail-pa0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A9/55-24214-4745B865 for ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 00:28:22 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id ho8so2127782pac.2 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 21:28:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lerdorf-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xzw9h6ehh8cXih+KMoYnGRoe97a87ybQBvySEEhzl08=; b=f8xlbsl7BFfwl4WzK7CK6mDrBUEfmHErBerCE4lLFKmfpsOQSrFdClvcm0pzvRnHZE n35xUIsl9gkzqQ/vF0Vjavo6VhV6TBPzV5tf/VXUfT3as7YvT97Qh7XwSW7nlJZiZ0hB 6qfMLqABh6bT8GDZteVwmKj9ZiF14tvFrajGEFeWKkGgbdbYprHxBXF3pZWWZZldfplt hKwVvCiENtenfPJoQhKcjTbIz0nXVlxFc6rToh0H2TQ0o8nF+5M9gT3odpQOAUO2RyrH XJKOv2l5AFafDjjJf4FZs+5dnOeOtQPAASJp60GVSaQGAQZ7eyIVyrA/jjsG8ToAtUtB PvsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xzw9h6ehh8cXih+KMoYnGRoe97a87ybQBvySEEhzl08=; b=g1GbKVy229uq5yQEl2MO/xYgGaLh6/0oQ5wEQA5QLFTEYC8z31kG1Go9ykZieX1iCg oW2ya8qvhhPUo8JBFU9A/+hQqUZxEv7y4INhNZnnb+aOu6jwTlY0IH4xoFpfBFBtDWD2 lwJDYAO8dpxb3XkCe/3vsduIrflQouA9lPXp10aC4lBGBYaBjowTp576mNIgZMn2SupZ AAB2NNtZzmqghbjuO8HHupAdBzXu7uRuodckKdkqQ6WEoZ1B6Phcqrae0CHeSzrRG8LS Z4tHxtUzJCvuUshcPGNx/0KagrrScZhHM9RADNV1BV1rR8NuPmS9ZPat1Fctt97V3Zze pE1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmAvq5FzNA3yNuZ3vNoSsPgUqX+RCRRnbst1cmaba91vaSHZNxaw1Xy3tGnS6lExODfDf7bWi0SxFyFjvFHGIP/9XwWAg== X-Received: by 10.66.158.129 with SMTP id wu1mr132220934pab.146.1451971698066; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 21:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:4800:1a55:e491:cdc8:5b5c:4558? ([2601:647:4800:1a55:e491:cdc8:5b5c:4558]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id xr8sm129913333pab.26.2016.01.04.21.28.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jan 2016 21:28:17 -0800 (PST) To: Sara Golemon , Stanislav Malyshev References: <568599AA.4090209@gmail.com> Cc: Junade Ali , PHP internals X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <568B5470.70902@lerdorf.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 21:28:16 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecation of the Error Control Operator (@ symbol) From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 01/04/2016 07:22 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> I don't think it is a good idea, currently, for the following reasons: >> > [::snip::] > > It terrifies me to say this, but I completely agree with Stas. ;) > > I can't personally remember the last time I used @ in any production > code, but my one-offs are replete with them. It's a quintessentially > PHP feature in its pragmatism. > > Okay, I'll put the thesaurus down. I'd be quite sad to see @ disappear as well. It was one of PHP's earliest features and its roots date back to mid-80's DOS batch files (before 1/3 of this list were born I would guess) -Rasmus