Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90061 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 3660 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 04:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 04:46:37 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.215.66 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.66 mail-lf0-f66.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.66] ([209.85.215.66:35822] helo=mail-lf0-f66.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9A/E2-24214-CAA4B865 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:46:36 -0500 Received: by mail-lf0-f66.google.com with SMTP id z124so29436359lfa.2 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:46:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=golemon-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4+Z7pt4hkgmoEsofAAyhZtJ+6gM/jVDxDNOwyM6G9+c=; b=aO5yuCbhrucC6XDtCqf6XdQ+vtnduC+8eL0syDudgh03Fjk9H6ETIeariyHfPpMc1f xU5KX+fhag4i9nj9DUVgLfhjSuMrax1ORhD+lKZiB0maKd0+RVhX6uE0ck1Kj8/OaGPI XLYul50PR2JJsSxcCP8Whb9HIpEU/XN3DFuSe24UJTl9oE2iApohGqceLNDX+/sDVDsO Olcucm/D2Dn/8nzk1LZ9ztUJr0noIeJxff4nhoDFxu+31gkY6HXzSVZp0AyPXB1MWw75 ee2sHPb2aR4j+9bKFBrG6Amq+3Lw5P3HmzHI+KNA/MHWmVdcoh60HrxEO2ffEkeI6JVZ zBnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=4+Z7pt4hkgmoEsofAAyhZtJ+6gM/jVDxDNOwyM6G9+c=; b=JrEmBm7/znYgLnXizmBJQDpqPB0oDaWN6KjINoslrR7aep37DHpUt+N+lobvruRNaT jaN4LnzbC0D873h8q2d4bWrMg3IG4kGwwMbLJWEwM9XUEDOx6awrRgsJy2y3KsB9yKSb F+ga2FhHMJN4T5obJOaRx2sqwEbUi38+sJbIAT65FrcnNZDed1PGqlqZ52e8cjF+U8xC 8h2D0JnCYp5xxwI7nOE/jdxATGUsBdQ1nzk2O/gQuOAhpbzZcTXXmEvSs1T0xFaEavPJ o1IVTJKKagcQ7+GD8SfVkoeSljYX+QBfDigiyM4mWJr7gbCqVs0wRabJClRaqkDiKte1 Febg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkMoBBp5KIVMZysezQQUYBmyR6lCaqWMy1/6ztSETJRJI0ahQ6pPVv6DypEUOQkC0wv5cnDyNfpNAMaowMhgif3eEU6CQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.65.5 with SMTP id o5mr23468794lfa.60.1451969192656; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:46:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.112.37.44 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 20:46:32 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [107.198.91.68] In-Reply-To: <018C0438-A7AF-44BC-B203-0CF6F6FC3695@gmail.com> References: <568AE803.1080209@gmail.com> <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> <568B1041.1060601@gmail.com> <568B1DA8.3060908@gmail.com> <568B210A.9050103@gmail.com> <10889178-A15C-4B28-85CC-C1E5AB08E952@gmail.com> <018C0438-A7AF-44BC-B203-0CF6F6FC3695@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 20:46:32 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: h08HUMz3kq-89FcWmvwJnt5KX0M Message-ID: To: "Paul M. Jones" Cc: Pierre Joye , Bishop Bettini , Michael Cullum , PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Paul M. Jones wrote: >> No definitions, no oversight, just straight up "the will of the star chamber." It's naked power masquerading as care-and-respect. > Please, offer definitions. Offer paths to oversight you deem sufficient. An RFC is a Request For Comments. Productive comments would be "here's a problem, let's work together to find a solution." You can shout into the darkness about how formalizing a process for dealing with disruptive influences is terrible for freedom, or you can formalize a process which meets with your standards. Ask yourself which of these you are doing. -Sara