Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90033 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 44726 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 01:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 01:31:40 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.220.45 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.45 mail-pa0-f45.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.45] ([209.85.220.45:34748] helo=mail-pa0-f45.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 80/07-07292-BFC1B865 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:31:40 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id uo6so186270763pac.1 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:31:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kW+SLn0+KkYi1mIDtx+cnybb6GNECIPXgwcyTsRc4VY=; b=RXiAG0JgkTUmHcVvciGHRM8p3fWLXtJyfd5O0FbvznR5MmcDKIRefA+9Yd0xvtSmXZ pAK9XP+Wcx6CX5LE0NF5a38ljlbKq4M06fvzTGIzexE+fcjB5AfajeuQdWsJEcbHV3KG dItIqwGSnEednKU5S5ebH3yaafwEfH2xlkjVQt8DPfVAFPTsruvLj6y91ID8i2GfsNyA xlhcuFlkKqilmA5Io4MiqFk17+k7b/1mUk4NbS16pHSVwNTDWmyWYhNqRlkFOOnq2J22 0DsidLLc1hhK6kchGEVoEKbyBCXtrRLd+E13ZnuifdR58Y+2O2WgAkPO6u4UzECS3WSh dJjA== X-Received: by 10.66.149.7 with SMTP id tw7mr5089312pab.72.1451957496487; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from stas-air.corp.wikimedia.org (tan1.corp.wikimedia.org. [198.73.209.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ah10sm128909004pad.23.2016.01.04.17.31.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 04 Jan 2016 17:31:36 -0800 (PST) To: Ferenc Kovacs References: <568AE803.1080209@gmail.com> <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> <568B1041.1060601@gmail.com> <568B149C.50902@gmail.com> Cc: Pierre Joye , Eli , PHP internals Message-ID: <568B1CF7.9080206@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 17:31:35 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > for that to happen you need a corrupt CoC team, a fairly unknown N Define "corrupt". They may believe they are doing the world a huge favor by getting us rid of horrible, terrible, no good N. The problem is that they'd be doing it without needing any consensus and will have a good chance of manipulating the rest into agreeing with them as they would control the information. People can be mistaken, and 3 people is small enough group that they can be mistaken in the same way very easily. > but still, this to happen would need all of the above and the first > controversial case would reveal the corruption of the members or the > flaws of the process and we could fix that. Why not fix it by not creating a setup for this upfront? There's no reason for creating secretive unaccountable CoC that is allowed to shut up people without seeking consensus. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com