Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:90027 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30944 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2016 00:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jan 2016 00:54:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pmjones88@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pmjones88@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.177 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pmjones88@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.177 mail-ig0-f177.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.177] ([209.85.213.177:35856] helo=mail-ig0-f177.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 13/F4-07292-A241B865 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 19:54:03 -0500 Received: by mail-ig0-f177.google.com with SMTP id ph11so3886772igc.1 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 16:54:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OyIv6pf1nsPk6kZDH8KgnUWLSQBqjGOb7Qd+v8IHrcY=; b=HrZa76jcBSGFrqRPby8hZS6IZS0FodMb6o4TgEwVMxjQV3zZtORftBof7kP72zj2YY k5f4ePjfPOhqZ6Ouo4Nx+jF4vkXb3X0UBxRz/wkVffFSR9wIlTcMg66MnhqbyyZNvLR6 IOsvFaHWMA0ofU4LnqwP+RNcOt9da3Dw8EAWv3cMqzJb93+sUokf5fgHl33lB6ANKIuh hKR7k78WJ0BeYo+Rpy19EjUoPSM4V4m09hpGL8BBdfw80UJU6jjJHV+nYg0+oCXEn4Lb had+EYJqj+iPQtvcsS68J5HWeB1OoQx9mZZZZQURCfQxCJXAqWamGmzYrcCsK762RHo9 dJzg== X-Received: by 10.50.134.137 with SMTP id pk9mr1162247igb.93.1451955239859; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 16:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ronin.attlocal.net ([2602:306:bdf1:d380:5db:652c:1a86:96c3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k6sm448448igx.20.2016.01.04.16.53.58 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Jan 2016 16:53:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.1 \(3096.5\)) In-Reply-To: <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:53:57 -0600 Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <7D025C75-0FDA-412B-9E13-7FE0F6F1DD62@gmail.com> References: <568AE803.1080209@gmail.com> <568B0C8E.3080206@eliw.com> To: Eli X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3096.5) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Draft] Adopt Code of Conduct From: pmjones88@gmail.com ("Paul M. Jones") > On Jan 4, 2016, at 18:21, Eli wrote: >=20 > On 1/4/16 4:45 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> Looks to me like solution in search of a problem. I'm with PHP = project >> since 90s, and maybe it is my biased view >=20 > As someone who originally was hesitant to do something similar with = his > conferences. I can speak that the reason for such a proposal is not > "because we have a problem". >=20 > It's a pro-active step, which makes it clear to people who are not a > part of our community at the moment, when they happen to approach our > community, and perhaps, are interested/intrigued about joining it. = That > yes, it will be a safe environment for them to do so. Of course it's safe. It's the internet. They can't actually be harmed. = If they feel unsafe they should contact the police. They don't need to = "search" anything other than their precious, fragile little hearts. The end-result of this RFC is fascist censorious speech-policing. The = rights of the accused are entirely ignored. The process is entirely = opaque, on purpose, and not subject to external review. There is no need = for it, pro-actvely or otherwise. My contempt for this terrible, horrible, very bad, no-good RFC is = unlimited. --=20 Paul M. Jones pmjones88@gmail.com http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php