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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:00:16 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.6 life cycle
From: oldschooldsl@gmail.com (Adam Howard)

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The EOL (end of life) date does influence people.  True, not everyone will
simply jump ship upon EOL.  But it is still has a significant enough
influence on adoption and urgency in general.  Especially toward new
development projects or new releases in general that are less likely to
code with support for EOL products (overall).   There is an influencing
factor that cannot be realistically denied without avoiding common sense.


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 7:19 AM, Johannes Schl=C3=BCter <johannes@schlueters=
.de>
wrote:

> On Sun, 2015-12-06 at 15:17 -0800, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> > Sufficient for what? It is a hard fact that people still run 5.3
> > version. In fact, 2/3 of sites run EOLed versions. You can always say
> > they have only themselves to blame, but then I'm not sure what
> > "sufficient" means. Unless adoption patterns change drastically, by the
> > end of 2017 most people will not be running PHP 7. That's not something
> > we can realistically change (unless you have some way of changing those
> > patterns we didn't try yet or they change by themselves somehow). Thus,
> > our choice lies only in whether we support this majority of users in
> > some way or say "you are on your own now, we don't care about you
> anymore".
>
> People who don't update aren't really relevant for a lifetime
> discussion. It doesn't really matter if they don't update to 5.6 or if
> they don't update to 7.0. Especially if they don't even update from
> 5.3.x to 5.3.(x+n).
>
> johannes
>
>
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