Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:89716 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 47349 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2015 15:11:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Dec 2015 15:11:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 209.85.213.49 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.49 mail-vk0-f49.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.49] ([209.85.213.49:33538] helo=mail-vk0-f49.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AB/F3-28320-691A5665 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 10:11:19 -0500 Received: by vkca188 with SMTP id a188so104821073vkc.0 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:11:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zend-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:thread-index:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Vzpgtfz/+2hhSHUnIUPG0Ske6YzGTPE1TT2i7EZl7YA=; b=M9QHFZQa5z7CXZz8HTTrsfCc48WDfDFiTZDYwX+HjjdoLbrRFUjSZMI4FAEXNygnQr t8pkFnQab4to/MeX5nrc0v/UFoHCmT4nW7Df4TiuXNyB6dJwaIMAiociPCZSyAxXBxTi kEkJCJrzAFAFRojdM600mRmutnwpoVSzpDHa26vV8jjeQt03nkiYz9nUWUB8wmBP8rie ZBvqg5FX8SujjetOcaz28XYDiBpqg0Zy8daxcpOfKeuQq9FiwbfaWg/OUHa8eHK/SrgU 5JpZxNjn8BygZ4VCL2KPh/OdhA4dDC+uygF24wYqD3cJP838C7Fn6vs1ceNyjggKXeWK qTRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :thread-index:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Vzpgtfz/+2hhSHUnIUPG0Ske6YzGTPE1TT2i7EZl7YA=; b=kI9yfCjM6uciybReJrStAX/FFah/ocXaZJIvbVSbDIUZr/zuHyQ4vyzHpVGklDo639 iAQwFdT0DcssxQR+ibGd4T/d+B+swID4TtebqEj2XHgCS62ftg58sSPkvXXiHXSGjUo+ fNzDpWyw00dDAH6st2jVafyAkzxUqV9eLJTbA5rXXZsrY3Ancg+/4XYveBFLGpAdoW64 hutVrB0Q2lJih41HdeBSDw+04UIaTYay6R0oqA3EY2Ui+gEgziDUWaoQ7Qvvm9ECDtt9 1o0LTVKLJeJTCLpswYYKcb2x/KBj+ucQ5iqsvYsHUFQK/SjwRsbiY0ewu6v93K8zfHkY sjAA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnejFdrrhNFvk+YndAlNVi2rjVhhB+dZewyjTm2/coMhL6fiN7CvOHwnAzmh1Z414wKEyppQYR8xW0VVxejjejTbocbs650izOkG9F1M+H3XhcVCZEWEUIdCtnnocOLEem/oFh/V/broE6HNKGkTabnjE3cELTeOXsqBpt83B0b5Sd+R3c= X-Received: by 10.31.178.84 with SMTP id b81mr21990505vkf.121.1449501075395; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 07:11:15 -0800 (PST) References: <11.24.55814.5A495665@pb1.pair.com> <56659949.8080405@gmail.com> <56659ABA.5010708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <56659ABA.5010708@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHgh9Y9UJHbSHpdKU+NswaLC82f2wJyZEBEAow+Y9wC2qad4p5iKIzQ Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 17:11:14 +0200 Message-ID: <2972914fdd1182ecf20d4c1cbd9b2c55@mail.gmail.com> To: Rowan Collins , internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.6 life cycle From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > -----Original Message----- > From: Rowan Collins [mailto:rowan.collins@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 4:42 PM > To: internals@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.6 life cycle > > Rowan Collins wrote on 07/12/2015 14:35: > > - On what factors will the decision be based? If the reason to delay > > the decision is lack of information, what information are we planning > > to use? Are there metrics we can use to make a more objective decision? > > Come to think, this works the other way as well: if we *do* make a decision > now, are there factors that would allow the question to be reopened? Again, > to have any trust in the announced date, people would need to know what > these were - if the decision is "probably August 2017", then that would be no > decision at all. It's always possible to submit another RFC to alter the end date, even if we decide about one now. But I do think it'll send a different message - that we think it's going to take extraordinary circumstances for us to change the decision - vs. us saying "we'll wait and see", which at least I would interpret as "they'll probably delay it". Zeev