Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:89710 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33735 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2015 14:36:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Dec 2015 14:36:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rowan.collins@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rowan.collins@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rowan.collins@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.50 mail-wm0-f50.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.50] ([74.125.82.50:38442] helo=mail-wm0-f50.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FC/11-28320-68995665 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 09:36:55 -0500 Received: by wmec201 with SMTP id c201so153425564wme.1 for ; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:36:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pihkoTfb88h7j9jBcFSmaNKzQaTTGjGhGxlbxRdBgvw=; b=irqb06WSmdhQIRyBwIf56ZhGNqLL3zbBkx9OwMPpFqtGJ8eSdDmnHGN8YXcVGPDvrG r15X7Ik5ozNVpFn3RnDmZXek80LN0mEN2/g3xCPTb2NRRNMplycSHjd5+4TKtahMEsC4 J8GKqQ61qbJkCL1WWvc8ArojmizVekTIp5OSm2JkznrcUYsnJBVFjmx6kJovtUlqNhmb MuzujxLaei/tnPYYWccXbmiRxQso5jSaVz2EMrGMx3uuwu4aaAVjDvId9+MAvkraRGW9 MkrjczVYlgOYAymAiQEOkP4f+CxFXvQtgXf64405L3FrjemUolauh4ABi92AM+afeKPw 7RXw== X-Received: by 10.28.221.134 with SMTP id u128mr20698579wmg.70.1449499012184; Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.137] ([93.188.182.58]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id pn6sm25491996wjb.15.2015.12.07.06.36.51 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:36:51 -0800 (PST) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <11.24.55814.5A495665@pb1.pair.com> Message-ID: <56659949.8080405@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:35:53 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <11.24.55814.5A495665@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.6 life cycle From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Collins) Andrea Faulds wrote on 07/12/2015 14:16: > Furthermore, postponing EOL now means reduced pressure to upgrade to > 7. If people feel they do not have to move any time soon, perhaps they > won't. > > So, I wonder if it would not be better to wait until nearer the > deadline, and see if we need an extension then? The problem is, that the genie's out of the bottle - there's been a public discussion that the EOL *might* be extended (and realistically it was always possible it would be proposed), so just "wait and see" is the worst of both worlds: those wanting certainty don't get it, while those who want to drag their feet can hope that the decision will go their way in the end (a potentially self-fulfilling prophecy, if everyone waits for someone else to jump). There may be value in delaying a final decision, but we need to at least make some decisions about the decision: - If not now, when is the right time to decide? A month before the standard deadline is not sensible, because it leads to uncertainty and confusion. Maybe at the end of Full Support we decide the length of the Security Support? Or maybe just give 7.0 a few months to "bed in"? - On what factors will the decision be based? If the reason to delay the decision is lack of information, what information are we planning to use? Are there metrics we can use to make a more objective decision? Regards, -- Rowan Collins [IMSoP]