Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:89671 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 88056 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2015 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Dec 2015 22:29:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=scott@paragonie.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=scott@paragonie.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain paragonie.com from 209.85.215.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: scott@paragonie.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.215.42 mail-lf0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.215.42] ([209.85.215.42:34433] helo=mail-lf0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AA/93-55814-4B6B4665 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 17:29:09 -0500 Received: by lffu14 with SMTP id u14so141505722lff.1 for ; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=paragonie-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=r2M4+OLefS5p3I76lzhVimNfQSnK8GLVfEsB1mzG3dc=; b=nwJdAc3IV1rjSh4dJD6Tbul+WOvCZXfO5Upis39IFgK44Tjcg8I9swSO7RYSEfqEMx cn7UhfOQPpOC4555hDbAZNnqFEo/ONBCM7B1KtR8qENcO3A35wNYnn1kdIbonHaaF/WF 0AhyTXGLAGTwH/GibjsC2Wptq++FgESRfOoMe4JO9ja3YtjtEd+aTacIPBxvg6Uk7sKo /Va2nyvle96g0j70gSw9LHumpdw3otCSb5HiASJnMve2/9cKcszgMYhdL/gvJbwSUod7 3YqbOqgjy8/get+pu94JhvscD32iESeDXINgS7PXawlI0q/zkhdy6aHInWEEwRec5uPH NcPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=r2M4+OLefS5p3I76lzhVimNfQSnK8GLVfEsB1mzG3dc=; b=iFhNXXjHAuhFjSFqxeDNwjRp8Ne2QCAevdqTyeylx6bf5la1DiWKEILI3+hEXG4v/9 iuzRPpEMzkoFxxo117/5QpF0etcsg33RxUgYzyKNmcBYcQe8YaMavlGQ4uESAHXeIb/2 o+E/J3y+arY97valX5X9osIAk9MuYkoy/5Y98KVVBC8ZHbSMHJcRAOjaINyr0Z3gTxOP o6ATyBU9q7J09iDKLZJKGj5OuClNbuv4zd8TFwXmS12zSMuw7fd9F20xskBXfEuj/B+Y O1af2hMjXZ0+U9UYWkxwpqxsS/nr/RRnbJLnBqpgiFAYDtQabedm10pNtGDD2i21jCuO RHcA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkuPC19G443ILEIi+oaHpqCOxkqH/TC8sEpMqPdwmBjXEX+5uq1vBFc7eivFYjoo0GtkvJD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.142.84 with SMTP id q81mr10498957lfd.77.1449440945620; Sun, 06 Dec 2015 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.237.230 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Dec 2015 14:29:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5664AC01.1020602@gmail.com> References: <90c8ecbc29f8a40a2430306b807a169e@mail.gmail.com> <5664AC01.1020602@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:29:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: Zeev Suraski , Jan Ehrhardt , PHP Internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11401a80afe1ca0526424429 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.6 life cycle From: scott@paragonie.com (Scott Arciszewski) --001a11401a80afe1ca0526424429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > IMHO, I think we need to look at the 5.6 lifecycle very differently fro= m > > how we look at 5.5 and earlier. This is really the 5.x lifecycle as it= 's > > the last version that's relatively completely painless to upgrade to fr= om > > 5.x (especially 5.3 and later). > > We could make 5.6 an LTS release with extended support, but the question > is given the code delta, would all fixes' authors be willing to do > essentially double work? Would extension authors be willing to maintain > two branches long-term? And, if that proves to be hard - wouldn't we end > up with a situation where they choose to only maintain PHP 5 version > (since it's easier and that's where 90% of people are) and extensions go > unsupported for PHP 7 for a long time, creating an adoption problem for 7= ? > > I do think we probably need to extend the lifetime of 5.6 (and make an > RFC on it) since I see no way to have everybody to adopt PHP 7 in mere 8 > months, but we should have a defined EOL date ASAP. > -- > Stas Malyshev > smalyshev@gmail.com > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > =E2=80=8BFrom my perspective, people already have until the end of 2017 to = switch to PHP 7. =E2=80=8BI think Long Term Support (TM) is generally an anti-patt= ern that promotes negligence and makes it harder to ensure people are running the latest security updates. Giving everyone until the end of 2017 to update their servers is more than sufficient. Scott Arciszewski Chief Development Officer Paragon Initiative Enterprises =E2=80=8B --001a11401a80afe1ca0526424429--