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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
From: me@chregu.tv (Christian Stocker)



On 04.12.15 23:17, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> Hi Florian,
> 
> Florian Anderiasch wrote:
>> On 04.12.2015 19:01, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>>> Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch:
>>>> I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is
>>>> kind of
>>>> sticking the finger to everyone using Windows for PHP (not the
>>>> language)
>>>> development.
>>>
>>>   Sorry, but that does not explain the special treatment of Windows.
>>>   Red Hat provides official PHP binaries for RHEL and Fedora. Ubuntu
>>>   provides official PHP binaries for Ubuntu. etc. Why should Microsoft
>>>   not provide the official PHP binaries for Windows?
>>
>> I think we're looking at the same problem from different directions :)
>>
>> Many languages offer something for different platforms (see below), I
>> wonder why for example http://php-osx.liip.ch/ is a dedicated project
>> and no one (or did someone?) try to invite them (or are there better
>> alternatives?) to be an official part of php.net? (The formal answer
>> probably is "we only support the release tarball, as downloaded from
>> php.net - but that's not because users don't matter, just to keep the
>> reproducability of bugs consistent. And I think on Windows and OS X this
>> could warrant having blessed builds for ease of use.)
>>
>> So to answer your question: We're treating Windows differently because
>> it's badly needed. And neither RHEL nor Fedora or Ubuntu need that.
> 
> I think it's worth pointing out that for OS X, Apple themselves
> distribute PHP, and in addition there's decent community package
> managers (Homebrew's the one I like), and it's easy to build yourself.

php-osx.liip.ch is a fork of marc liyanage's entropy php back then when
he stopped supporting it. We used and extended it in-house and put it
into public just to give back to the community. We never thought this
should be an "official" PHP release, as andrea said, there are many ways
to install a recent PHP on OS X, ours is just one way.

Nowadays we mostly use VMs for development, so don't really actively use
our own binaries, but doing the update now and then is not a big effort,
therefore we still update it. But don't invest too much time anymore, if
some exotic extension doesn't work. But we encourage everyone to contribute.

I'm fine with having that outside of PHP.net and concentrating the
efforts of the PHP community on the source releases (and Windows ;))

Greetings

chregu



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